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You gotta give it to Rogla. A champion that could move up the ranks of all time best by just staying at JBV and milking GTs or podiums in Vuelta and Giro is about to make a move just for going for that extra glory. Bravo.
I mean sure, but with his talents and ability, who wouldn’t? What competitive athlete wouldn’t be going for wins at this point in their career…

He gets paid either way.
 
I mean sure, but with his talents and ability, who wouldn’t? What competitive athlete wouldn’t be going for wins at this point in their career…

He gets paid either way.
Because he knows people will never see him as an all time great without that TDF win
#1 Thomas, Kwiato come to mind.
#2 Poulidor and Rominger are all-time greats that never won a Tour.
 
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#1 Thomas, Kwiato come to mind.
#2 Poulidor and Rominger are all-time greats that never won a Tour.
Thomas not going for wins? Since when? Thomas same talent and ability as Roglič? Kwai-whatski? Dude.

Pou-pou is a legend but he’s got a peloton sized hole in his resume. So bad his grandkid cried when the family finally got a day in yellow. Rominger? I mean…radioactive topic. Not an all time great.
 
For sure. He’s got a chance at a Tour but not on Jumbo. Wish him luck.
This seems to be common wisdom, but I don't know what it's based on. It has however been repeated so many times that now apparently Roglic has started to believe it as well.

I'd say it's always better to be on the team of the strongest GT rider in the world, than racing against him. Except if there's no opposition, like in the Vuelta. But that's not going to be the case in the Tour.
 
This seems to be common wisdom, but I don't know what it's based on. It has however been repeated so many times that now apparently Roglic has started to believe it as well.

I'd say it's always better to be on the team of the strongest GT rider in the world, than racing against him. Except if there's no opposition, like in the Vuelta. But that's not going to be the case in the Tour.
It's based...I think pretty obviously...on the fact that he's not going to get Tour leadership at Jumbo as long as Vingegaard is there. Is that really so hard to understand? Roglič hasn't come to that conclusion because it's been repeated, he comes to that conclusion because he's the closest to it and would know better than anyone what the internal team politics are, and where he stands. His behavior has informed the press and public about where things stand, and he's the one making it pretty obvious he isn't happy with the state of things.

It's not wrong to say he's got his chances on the team of the strongest GT rider in the world...if Vingegaard gets injured or sick before/during the race. But that's not the kind of thing one plans a season around.

He's an elite athlete, able to compete for a Tour win. Playing second fiddle to someone who he thinks he might be able to beat...well that's not a thing elite athletes tend to want to do.

If he wanted to stay on Jumbo and take his chances that his number might come up, I'd say great. Whatever works for you. But I'm not remotely surprised an athlete in his position would want sole leadership of a team for the Tour.
 
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Actually Geraint Thomas said that: “The one thing I would say is that Remco hates Jumbo, and Jumbo hate Remco, so that’s not gonna work, is it? Unless they do different programmes,” said Thomas. "You should hear what Roglič says about Remco,” he continued, as Rowe joked for them to “stir the pot now.”
Well if he said he's a loud mouth Prima Donna I agree :).
 
On the topic of 'greats', this sport has no all time greats. It only has all time most famous riders. The past & methods involved make any attempt at creating hierarchies a very difficult task.

The current so-called GOAT aka Merckx is the most famous, most iconic... but his methods preclude placing the guy on a pedestal in raw sporting terms.

Rog will have a place in cycling folklore once his career is done, with or without a TdF. The sheer number of wins to his name ensures his 'fame' in the sport (& his overall story plays a role as well, aka the ski jumper story).

This seems to be common wisdom, but I don't know what it's based on. It has however been repeated so many times that now apparently Roglic has started to believe it as well.

I'd say it's always better to be on the team of the strongest GT rider in the world, than racing against him. Except if there's no opposition, like in the Vuelta. But that's not going to be the case in the Tour.

Because when Vingegaard attacks, Rog is not allowed to jump on his wheel at Jumbo. It's as simple as that. Teammate rules say you can't drag opposition riders over to a teammate, or chase down your own teammate, or attack him if he has yellow. I mean what does Rog do if he's sitting 20 seconds (for example) behind Vinge in GC in the Tour? Launch a surprise attack? I'm sure that one would go down well on the team bus.

Leadership of another team = operational freedom. It basically ensures a Vuelta 2023 style scenario cannot be repeated.
 
When Roglic movies from JV he will never win another GT.
I think you are selling him short. He is a great rider and definitely good enough to win GT's without the absolut best team. Some GT's has a weaker feld and he should be able to dominate them.

I think this whole thing is bad, especially for Jumbo. If they want do dominate the stage race calendar, they need both Roglic and Jonas. They should go out of there way to make him happy. Being compleat sole leader at the tour for them, is of course ridiculous and I think he knows that.

It's no secret that I think dual leadership at the tour is doable, just like in 22. The competition is so great that things will sort themselves out on the road and the team is strong enough to support them both. Just my opinion.

I don't like him going to Ineos. I think they often show themselves as tactically inept, and I don't trust them with his talent. I like Lidl much more for him. Skelmose could use a mentor and him and Mads could dom for him like no other team. Mads is a beast when he dom's, just ask Richie Port. It's like van Arte level stuff.
 
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Thomas not going for wins? Since when? Thomas same talent and ability as Roglič? Kwai-whatski? Dude.

Pou-pou is a legend but he’s got a peloton sized hole in his resume. So bad his grandkid cried when the family finally got a day in yellow. Rominger? I mean…radioactive topic. Not an all time great.
Actually, my bad. I shouldn't have answered with "other riders". And it is simple to point out why.
Roglic is perhaps unique in a way because he is in a team stuffed with success which developed in part due to his personal talent. He lost the 2020 Tour and got unlucy in the next two - and by being unlucky I mean not being able to show what he can do in healthy conditions - missing in the process a place in the internal hierarchy regarding the Tour. So doubts, rankings and narratives started to surface that he was gone, over the hiil, finito. But he always proved with actions that talks about his fading were too early.

My point is: Roglic is comfortable at Jumbo but he (as it seems) is willing time and again to be a daredevil even if that implies sailing to the unknow by changing from a team where he found success just to have a shot at the Tour within a new environment (as long it's not a French team it should be not that different). This is the pure gambling of champions who have a massive belief in themselves. .
 
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