Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

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Here ii is not a question of first mountain stages, becouse they started already with mountain, so the advantage that complete rider get in the 1st week of le Tour andnshows in the forst mountain stage, is not here.. the best stage for him is Alto Campoo (Fuente del Chivo), becouse there is the hard Escudo, an later there is a flat terrain where the pure climbers will suffer and the last climb is long and not very step...so perfect for him. The stage of this weekend in Granada is good as well for him, but as well for Valverde, Purito...

In Andorra, except if he is clearly the stronger of the race, he must suffer with people as Quintana, Landa, Chaves, Purito, Pozzovivo,...

He has the ITT of Burgos to win la Vuelta, but later there are some tactical and complicated stages.

I think he will win la Vuelta, but not easy.

 

[42x16ss]

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Here ii is not a question of first mountain stages, becouse they started already with mountain, so the advantage that complete rider get in the 1st week of le Tour andnshows in the forst mountain stage, is not here.. the best stage for him is Alto Campoo (Fuente del Chivo), becouse there is the hard Escudo, an later there is a flat terrain where the pure climbers will suffer and the last climb is long and not very step...so perfect for him. The stage of this weekend in Granada is good as well for him, but as well for Valverde, Purito...

In Andorra, except if he is clearly the stronger of the race, he must suffer with people as Quintana, Landa, Chaves, Purito, Pozzovivo,...

He has the ITT of Burgos to win la Vuelta, but later there are some tactical and complicated stages.

I think he will win la Vuelta, but not easy.

Good point, a lot will hinge on the ITT. Froome will probably make his decision after that. If he is racing World's ITT he may want to recover rather than risk going too deep.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

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More transparent than any rider in history...

If he looses any more weight he may well end up becoming the most transparent rider in history.

MDR. Chapeau my good sir.

 

[BigMac]

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Got to love they use 'willpower' as one of the reasons for their success. No other riders are doing enough 'willing' to win.

You know, willpower, pillpower, same thing. Sometimes even pillowpower.

Obviously the most important part is "Excellent team-mates." AKA No shittin' in the campah. AKA LRP.

Remember when Alberto had LRP as his "team-mate?" Made all the difference in the world. Why do you think Teeeeeeeeeejay stole LRP away from Da Dawg?

You guys are hilarious. Thank you.

 

[Archibald]

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"...hundreds of drug tests..."
ay, ay, ay...

"efficient training"?? holy sheeet, Batman!! who'da thunk it?!!

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Vroom getting his Vuelta objective done: showing he's human

I wonder is Froome at Vuelta to pull out half way citing tiredness and not being able to compete due to the exercions on his human body from TdF. All part of the PR.

I hope so - I really don't want to see him ruin another GT.

 

[sniper]

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Vroom getting his Vuelta objective done: showing he's human

I wonder is Froome at Vuelta to pull out half way citing tiredness and not being able to compete due to the exercions on his human body from TdF. All part of the PR.

It would surely play into the hands of the British press, Walsh et al.
Firstly indeed Chris showing he's 'human'.
Secondly, the Vuelta is where the non-anglophone dopers celebrate, innit, so Chris trying but failing to win it nicely cements his cleanliness.

 

[wendybnt]

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Vroom getting his Vuelta objective done: showing he's human

I wonder is Froome at Vuelta to pull out half way citing tiredness and not being able to compete due to the exercions on his human body from TdF. All part of the PR.

It would surely play into the hands of the British press, Walsh et al.
Firstly indeed Chris showing he's 'human'.
Secondly, the Vuelta is where the non-anglophone dopers celebrate, innit, so Chris trying but failing to win it nicely cements his cleanliness.

Maybe Froome learnt from convicted-doper Alberto 'Puerto' Contador's tactic of pretending to go for the double just to try and remove his stink from his Giro win by looking 'tired' in his TdF ride.


(Or maybe both riders are just trying to win races)

 

[sniper]

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Maybe Froome learnt from convicted-doper Alberto 'Puerto' Contador's tactic of pretending to go for the double just to try and remove his stink from his Giro win by looking 'tired' in his TdF ride.
(Or maybe both riders are just trying to win races)

there's another thread for Alberto bashing.

anyway, yes, maybe.

 

[wendybnt]

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Maybe Froome learnt from convicted-doper Alberto 'Puerto' Contador's tactic of pretending to go for the double just to try and remove his stink from his Giro win by looking 'tired' in his TdF ride.
(Or maybe both riders are just trying to win races)

not sure what your point is.
this is the froome talk only thread.
there's another thread for Alberto bashing.

The point being that both scenarios are equally unlikely.

Who would Froome be trying to convince? If it was fans in the UK then he would be wasting his time as an early exit from the Vuelta would go almost unreported. It is on TV here, but the viewing figures are minuscule.

 

[Electress]

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Maybe Froome learnt from convicted-doper Alberto 'Puerto' Contador's tactic of pretending to go for the double just to try and remove his stink from his Giro win by looking 'tired' in his TdF ride.
(Or maybe both riders are just trying to win races)

not sure what your point is.
this is the froome talk only thread.
there's another thread for Alberto bashing.

The point being that both scenarios are equally unlikely.

Who would Froome be trying to convince? If it was fans in the UK then he would be wasting his time as an early exit from the Vuelta would go almost unreported. It is on TV here, but the viewing figures are minuscule.

Just a suggestion, but why not try just to make the point ?

 

[wendybnt]

It's not unusual in online conversations for people to seek clarification when they don't understand.

You should have just asked.

 

[Escarabajo]

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Nice one Florecita!

Sounds familiar to another Angle Saxon rider few year's back.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Hundreds of drug tests? Who did again the math on the 500 tests for Armstrong back then? Wouldnt be too hard to expose this bending of the truth as well wouldnt it?

 

[heart_attack_man]

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Hundreds of drug tests? Who did again the math on the 500 tests for Armstrong back then? Wouldnt be too hard to expose this bending of the truth as well wouldnt it?

Particularly with the low testing rates of the Monaco Anti-Doping Fed. 2014, they performed something like 66 tests in total, of which only 29 were OOC. No bloods at all. There are obviously quite a number of athletes that reside in Monaco across many sports, so if this doesn't tell you something I don't know what does. Why on earth wouldn't you dope???

Source: https://wada-main-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/wada_2014_anti-doping-testing-figures_full-report_en.pdf Page 12

 

[42x16ss]

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Hundreds of drug tests? Who did again the math on the 500 tests for Armstrong back then? Wouldnt be too hard to expose this bending of the truth as well wouldnt it?

Particularly with the low testing rates of the Monaco Anti-Doping Fed. 2014, they performed something like 66 tests in total, of which only 29 were OOC. No bloods at all. There are obviously quite a number of athletes that reside in Monaco across many sports, so if this doesn't tell you something I don't know what does. Why on earth wouldn't you dope???

Source: https://wada-main-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/wada_2014_anti-doping-testing-figures_full-report_en.pdf Page 12

Of course. A small nation like Monaco won't want to scare the money away

 

[heart_attack_man]

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Hundreds of drug tests? Who did again the math on the 500 tests for Armstrong back then? Wouldnt be too hard to expose this bending of the truth as well wouldnt it?

Particularly with the low testing rates of the Monaco Anti-Doping Fed. 2014, they performed something like 66 tests in total, of which only 29 were OOC. No bloods at all. There are obviously quite a number of athletes that reside in Monaco across many sports, so if this doesn't tell you something I don't know what does. Why on earth wouldn't you dope???

Source: https://wada-main-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/wada_2014_anti-doping-testing-figures_full-report_en.pdf Page 12

Of course. A small nation like Monaco won't want to scare the money away

In my mind, these types of things really put 'whereabouts issues' into a true context. What would be the chances that one athlete would get tested in any given year out of the many competitive athletes that reside in Monaco? Pretty bloody slim. Then what are the chances that they aren't home/don't hear the doorbell/insert bullsh1t excuse here on the ONE occasion that they are OOC'd...?

You're dealing with exceptionally low percentages... As I keep saying, I don't believe in miracles.

 

[keeponrollin]

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Hundreds of drug tests? Who did again the math on the 500 tests for Armstrong back then? Wouldnt be too hard to expose this bending of the truth as well wouldnt it?

Well him saying he's been tested hundreds of times, makes the fact he missed a couple seem reasonable ... but then again, we know that others have been tested just as often, & never missed any !

 

[red_flanders]

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Hundreds of drug tests? Who did again the math on the 500 tests for Armstrong back then? Wouldnt be too hard to expose this bending of the truth as well wouldnt it?

Well him saying he's been tested hundreds of times, makes the fact he missed a couple seem reasonable ... but then again, we know that others have been tested just as often, & never missed any !

I think the point was that last time someone blustered about the hundreds of tests and other such nonsense, we found out it was a complete lie, and that riders don't get tested nearly often enough to add up to the "hundreds" which they claim.

 

[heart_attack_man]

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Hundreds of drug tests? Who did again the math on the 500 tests for Armstrong back then? Wouldnt be too hard to expose this bending of the truth as well wouldnt it?

Well him saying he's been tested hundreds of times, makes the fact he missed a couple seem reasonable ... but then again, we know that others have been tested just as often, & never missed any !

I think the point was that last time someone blustered about the hundreds of tests and other such nonsense, we found out it was a complete lie, and that riders don't get tested nearly often enough to add up to the "hundreds" which they claim.

He may have been tested hundreds of times based on how many times he's won or podiumed throughout certain seasons... The better question is how did he win or podium against all of the dopers?

 

[D-Queued]

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He may have been tested hundreds of times based on how many times he's won or podiumed throughout certain seasons... The better question is how did he win or podium against all of the dopers?

Now there is the right question.

And for the answer we have to go back to Ryder.

Doping made him slower, remember?

Ergo, that is how Froome wins against all of the dopers. Dope makes them slower. Stupid dopers.

Dave.

 

[Archibald]

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Hundreds of drug tests? Who did again the math on the 500 tests for Armstrong back then? Wouldnt be too hard to expose this bending of the truth as well wouldnt it?

Well him saying he's been tested hundreds of times, makes the fact he missed a couple seem reasonable ... but then again, we know that others have been tested just as often, & never missed any !

I think the point was that last time someone blustered about the hundreds of tests and other such nonsense, we found out it was a complete lie, and that riders don't get tested nearly often enough to add up to the "hundreds" which they claim.

He may have been tested hundreds of times based on how many times he's won or podiumed throughout certain seasons... The better question is how did he win or podium against all of the dopers?

err... no.
from 2011 his stage wins/podiums as follows (from a quick look on wiki);
2011: 1 stage win
2012: 1 stage win
2013: 8 stage wins, 1 2nd (TTT worlds)
2014: 4 stage wins
2015: 4 stage wins, 3rd TTT (Romandie)

Total; 20 tests from winning or podiuming stages...

I don't know if overall leaders are tested on days they don't podium, but won't be many more tests from this if they do.

 

[heart_attack_man]

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Hundreds of drug tests? Who did again the math on the 500 tests for Armstrong back then? Wouldnt be too hard to expose this bending of the truth as well wouldnt it?

Well him saying he's been tested hundreds of times, makes the fact he missed a couple seem reasonable ... but then again, we know that others have been tested just as often, & never missed any !

I think the point was that last time someone blustered about the hundreds of tests and other such nonsense, we found out it was a complete lie, and that riders don't get tested nearly often enough to add up to the "hundreds" which they claim.

He may have been tested hundreds of times based on how many times he's won or podiumed throughout certain seasons... The better question is how did he win or podium against all of the dopers?

err... no.
from 2011 his stage wins/podiums as follows (from a quick look on wiki);
2011: 1 stage win
2012: 1 stage win
2013: 8 stage wins, 1 2nd (TTT worlds)
2014: 4 stage wins
2015: 4 stage wins, 3rd TTT (Romandie)

Total; 20 tests from winning or podiuming stages...

I don't know if overall leaders are tested on days they don't podium, but won't be many more tests from this if they do.

Agreed - stand corrected. I was thinking that overall leaders would be tested on days they don't podium, but you are likely correct to point that out - knowing that testing is pure theatre, it's exceptionally likely that they aren't.

 

[Archibald]

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Agreed - stand corrected. I was thinking that overall leaders would be tested on days they don't podium, but you are likely correct to point that out - knowing that testing is pure theatre, it's exceptionally likely that they aren't.

I recall someone doing the math on LA and worked out at around 125 tests in total or similar...

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

http://www.cyclismas.com/biscuits/the-legend-of-the-500/

Guess Froome was tested more in his career [2011-2015] than Lance.

Seems likely....

http://sautdechaine.blogspot.nl/2015/07/le-mystere-froome-la-guerre-des-watts-12.html