Giro d'Italia 2017 rumours - Il Centesimo

[May0maniac]

How many sprinters will finish the race, nearly all of them will pull out after stage 13.

 

[Red Rick]

5th year in a row that the Giro has more ITT kilometers than the Tour.

 

[sir fly]

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5th year in a row that the Giro has more ITT kilometers than the Tour.

And you can hardly see a specialist targeting it. Wiggins was the most notable, but can we really call that "targeting"'?
Everything has turned upside down.

 

[Poursuivant]

Dumoulin will target this imo. The TT km on offer in the Tour is pathetic.

 

[Valv.Piti]

What's the thoughts on the stage in the Dolomites? I think it could be an amazing stage if they are racing. On the other hand, it could also be pretty disastrous.

 

[El Pistolero]

Dumoulin, Kruijswijk, Aru, Nibali, Chaves and Landa seem like safe bets. We'll have a decent field. Outside of Froome, Quintana and Contador no one important will be missing. I hope for an epic duel between Aru and Nibali, with the latter triumphing.

It's great that the Giro is doing both Sardinia and Sicilia because you just know the organisation is hoping for it to become a duel between the Sardinian and the Sicilian. Also great that they're doing the Etna, I have a soft spot for mountaintop finishes on Volcanoes. Only one mountain stage that finishes on a descent is a bit disappointing. The time trials are good, that should give Nibali an advantage over Aru. We'll have to see how well Dumoulin will climb though.

Overall the route is unambitious, but we already knew that by the fact that they're finishing it with a time trial in a city that has almost nothing to offer.

 

[Red Rick]

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What's the thoughts on the stage in the Dolomites? I think it could be an amazing stage if they are racing. On the other hand, it could also be pretty disastrous.

I feel like they managed to make something with less than 5% chance of being great, and 90% chance of being awful. Neither were necessary, and doing better should've been super easy.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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What's the thoughts on the stage in the Dolomites? I think it could be an amazing stage if they are racing. On the other hand, it could also be pretty disastrous.

I feel like they managed to make something with less than 5% chance of being great, and 90% chance of being awful. Neither were necessary, and doing better should've been super easy.

Thats probably a little too bleak tho, but I get you. Feel the same.

Helped by the fact that the 2 last stages aren't overly hard, this really could be raced from the start if the situation in the race allows. Lets hope.

 

[Ataraxus]

Meh

Edit:
And WTF is this? Be ashamed whoever is responsible for this:

I really hope this is not true, if we dont get a Stelvio from prato for the 100th edition of the Giro im literally going to give up with this route.

I seriously don't get all the obsession with climbing Stelvio from Prato.
The only positive change these last days had, was the design of this stage TBH.
It is much more in favor of long-range attacks than the first alternative.
Stelvio from Prato is much more selective when raced as a descent than as a climb. Umbrail is much more selective when raced as a climb than as a descent. 2-0 in favor of the final profile. Case closed.

 

[SafeBet]

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Overall the route is unambitious, but we already knew that by the fact that they're finishing it with a time trial in a city that has almost nothing to offer.

Truly unfair to Milano. As much as I dislike it, there's plenty to see in this city even if you're not a fashion fanatic.

 

[Brullnux]

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Overall the route is unambitious, but we already knew that by the fact that they're finishing it with a time trial in a city that has almost nothing to offer.

Truly unfair to Milano. As much as I dislike it, there's plenty to see in this city even if you're not a fashion fanatic.

Usually the people who dislike Milan the most are the people from it

The centre is very grand though, especially the area around Brera. Are you from Milano Milano or just Milano?

 

[Brullnux]

What if RCS purposely trolled us and didn't accidentally leak these profiles because some od them are, in actual fact, false?

Nah its really really unlikely as all the start/finish towns are correct.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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Overall the route is unambitious, but we already knew that by the fact that they're finishing it with a time trial in a city that has almost nothing to offer.

Truly unfair to Milano. As much as I dislike it, there's plenty to see in this city even if you're not a fashion fanatic.

Thats exactly the reaction he wants, straight up trolling right there.

 

[SafeBet]

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Usually the people who dislike Milan the most are the people from it

The centre is very grand though, especially the area around Brera. Are you from Milano Milano or just Milano?

I'm from Sesto San Giovanni, different town but basically the same urban area. An ugly place that you will witness in the final ITT

And it's true that most people living in Milano can't appreciate the city. In fact, I'm one of them.

 

[Ashhutch97]

Meh

Edit:
And WTF is this? Be ashamed whoever is responsible for this:

I really hope this is not true, if we dont get a Stelvio from prato for the 100th edition of the Giro im literally going to give up with this route.

I seriously don't get all the obsession with climbing Stelvio from Prato.
The only positive change these last days had, was the design of this stage TBH.
It is much more in favor of long-range attacks than the first alternative.
Stelvio from Prato is much more selective when raced as a descent than as a climb. Umbrail is much more selective when raced as a climb than as a descent. 2-0 in favor of the final profile. Case closed.

Firstly, I was hoping for a stelvio from prato with a decent back to bormio, considering the umbrial decent back to bormio is the same from stelvio apart from an extra 5km, so it would be just as selective. It is also good for long range attacks because people can attack on the umbrail before then doing the stelvio becsuse there is the same amount of flat in between. So thats 0-0. And just look at some pictures of the stelvio from prato, having ridden it myself I can honestly say its the most incredible climb I have ever seen and its probably the most spectacular climb in any grand tour.
We have also had 2 stevios from bormio since 2012 and we haven't had stelvio from prato since 2005.
Case closed.

 

[staubsauger]

First impression watching the route presentation:
Italians speaking English hasn't exactly bettered since Black Box - Ride on time!

 

[SafeBet]

Don't know if it's geo restricted: http://www.giroditalia.it/it/percorso-2017/

Just an hour of useless chatting thus far. Cookson next on stage.

 

[SafeBet]

Confirmed Etna won't be climbed on the same road of 2011.

Edit: it's exactly the road I posted a few pages back.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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Confirmed Etna won't be climbed on the same road of 2011.

Edit: it's exactly the road I posted a few pages back.

Seems like it will create more gaps than expected. Not bad at all. Thats really the big plus about this route, the 2 first MTF's are very hard.

 

[staubsauger]

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Confirmed Etna won't be climbed on the same road of 2011.

Edit: it's exactly the road I posted a few pages back.

Seems like it will create more gaps than expected. Not bad at all. Thats really the big plus about this route, the 2 first MTF's are very hard.

If Astana races this hard early on to potentially hurt Nibali right from the start we're spot on!

 

[Valv.Piti]

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Confirmed Etna won't be climbed on the same road of 2011.

Edit: it's exactly the road I posted a few pages back.

Seems like it will create more gaps than expected. Not bad at all. Thats really the big plus about this route, the 2 first MTF's are very hard.

If Astana races this hard early on to potentially hurt Nibali right from the start we're spot on!

Indeed, thats the best case. A Nibali losing a couple of minutes or 4 and peaking for the last week once again could really create a great spectacle on stage 16 and 18!

 

[SafeBet]

As I said before, I was there a month ago: halfway up the climb the road gets wider, vegetation disappears and it can be very windy.
Team will make a difference, but attacks are absolutely possible.

 

[staubsauger]

:surprised: Twice Mortirolo and twice Stilfser Joch!

Oropa simply should've been a mtt like in 2007 as instantly rumored. Kinda useless stage!

 

[staubsauger]

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Confirmed Etna won't be climbed on the same road of 2011.

Edit: it's exactly the road I posted a few pages back.

Seems like it will create more gaps than expected. Not bad at all. Thats really the big plus about this route, the 2 first MTF's are very hard.

If Astana races this hard early on to potentially hurt Nibali right from the start we're spot on!

Indeed, thats the best case. A Nibali losing a couple of minutes or 4 and peaking for the last week once again could really create a great spectacle on stage 16 and 18!

Tbh that route has written Kruijswijk and especially Lopez - if he's ready for 3 weeks - written all over it imho!

 

[Alexandre B.]

Funny how they made a Pantani tribute for a ________________/ stage.