JV talks, sort of

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

You guys are right. They all dope. *******s. And I'm a ******* too.

You won.

ok, since victory has been achieved, a round of back patting is in order.

Someday I can only pray to have the insight, intelligence, and clarity of the victors.

well done.

Isnt that a little dramatic? For instance, you come here to defend that great ABP, you defend it in the papers, maybe even on tv, just like McQuaid. Yet that great ABP failed to flag a certain dopeTex? 'Hell, it must be the software' is then the response. Who can say this software didnt 'de-flag' other riders?

You go 'full ***' on hardcore Ricco, yet this doper stayed within the believable realms of human performance, a point you make time and time again. 'Oh 5,93/5,97/6.01w/kg, that is within the believable'. Why should we believe that now? Tour 2009, infusion kits found at Astana, ABP did not flag any rider there did it? A thirty-eight-years old grandpa flying up mountains with the best, making a mockery out of the sport, yet, the heralded Anne Gripper has stated she believes/believed Armstrong was clean in 2009 saying 'there was nothing in his test results when she was at the UCI to suggest abnormal blood values.'

But, now, with less testing et all, cycling is supposed to be much cleaner? All the dodgy dottores have packed their bags or suddenly stopped poisoning the riders and the grand public?

Please forgive me when I have problems believing this. If that makes me a man that loved cycling and now is suspicious, so be it.

not more than to convince a few people that used to love cycling that it isnt so bad these days. thats it. it also helps me more fully form my ideas and arguments.

Donkeys turning into racehorses was bad and still is bad.

CONGRATS W#*nk*rs !

Little drama queenish, dont you think?

Right now Team Sky is making the sport look terrible. It does not matter if the team's riders are not doping.

There are much more teams, just watch the spring Classics, it is gonna be fun.

 

[horsinabout]

Quoted for posterity.

 

[hrotha]

JV, you can say whatever you want to us, call us any names you can think of, but NEVER say we don't love cycling.

 

[horsinabout]

JV, you can say whatever you want to us, call us any names you can think of, but NEVER say we don't love cycling.

.........

Being on the forum is a bit like playing a game of rugby

when they throw you the ball, you had better run like hell

because if not you are going to get pounced on before you reach the touch line.

 

[webvan]

CONGRATS W#*nk*rs !

You had the Op to see a little of the thinking of those that RUN Cycle Sport !

You took ONE Guy , stuck your fingers in both of his eyes , spun him around , pointed at the door , and expected him to find his way out with Dignity ?

WHO is going to come and treat YOU as Adults after that display of STUPIDITY ?

dirty works , says i am fawning !

All of you ignorants that know better than the Profis , hiding behind your avatars , deserve NO CREDIBILITY !

Even some of the " mods " , deserve a wake up call !

Too many times i have asked how the " Clinic " can be a " FORCE " in seeking a change , what a waste of effort that was !

Each of you scoring points off each other so as to acheive what ?

NOTHING !


Less than NOTHING !

Get over yourselves , as a group , you are not worth the time of DAY for a Profi looking for a sense of what the Tifosi is thinking !

Back to Comedy , folks ! Who has the next segment of Joke a minute ?

That's the point I made a few days ago, a heartbreak thread...when you have people who say "let's look at what's going on and talk about it reasonably" and others who declare "I've looked at what's going on and I'll tell you how it is, oh and BTW Sky are a bunch of cheaters and dopers, that's not even open to discussion", not to mention that dude, the biggest zealot of course who made it to JV's ignore list (and mine) who knows so little about cycling that he confuses Lepheimer with Horner, what can you expect? It's a miracle it's gone on for so long.

Frankly I hope JV moves on to better things, like the forums outside the clinic where the crazy zealots can't indulge in their little crusade.

 

[martinvickers]

JV, you can say whatever you want to us, call us any names you can think of, but NEVER say we don't love cycling.

Actually, he's perfectly entitled to say that. He can say what he wants. I'm just not entirely sure why he wastes his time in here. Honestly, it's become like a cult. There's no arguing with a religious fundamentalist. Just smile, and go to the pub.

The only sensible response is to enjoy it for comedy value, and spend any actual anti-doping energy somewhere actually useful.

 

[hrotha]

Actually, he's perfectly entitled to say that. He can say what he wants.

Way to miss the point.

 

[martinvickers]

Way to miss the point.

I didn't miss the point. I just don't think much of it.

Being fanatical about Panini stickers doesn't make anyone a football fan...

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Way to miss the point.

+infinity.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

That's the point I made a few days ago, a heartbreak thread...when you have people who say "let's look at what's going on and talk about it reasonably" and others who declare "I've looked at what's going on and I'll tell you how it is, oh and BTW Sky are a bunch of cheaters and dopers, that's not even open to discussion", not to mention that dude, the biggest zealot of course who made it to JV's ignore list (and mine) who knows so little about cycling that he confuses Lepheimer with Horner, what can you expect? It's a miracle it's gone on for so long.

Frankly I hope JV moves on to better things, like the forums outside the clinic where the crazy zealots can't indulge in their little crusade.

Perhaps you can start a thread in the road racing section on your excellent comparison between La Vie Claire and Clean Team Sky? Ooops, hope I didnt make your ignore list now.

''The biggest zealot, the crazy zealots'', man, you have some issues. Take a chill pill.

If you do not like the Clinic you could always do yourself the pleasure by staying away.

Vaughters comes here to juggle with the monkeys who are trying to figure out how to crack the coconut, nothing more. And, sometimes, just to point us on a new release in the press coming soon. And yes, he gets confronted with the doping issue of the whole peloton, is that fair? Not entirely, but, hey, since when is life fair?

 

[martinvickers]

+infinity.

Useful thing, a parrot.

You get the same answer he did.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

You are even better ChrisT.

Now what Now? Who is this ChrisT?

 

[ChewbaccaD]

There are people who are willing to consider that things have changed for the better but cycling is trapped by its past. It is very hard to break free from that. It is like an auto car company with a long history of producing crappy cars. Even though the quality may have drastically improved, any new problem is magnified in the minds of potential customers by the company's past. The smallest problems do a huge amount of damage to the new brand equity the company is attempting to build.

Right now Team Sky is making the sport look terrible. It does not matter if the team's riders are not doping. The results are such an outlier to what is usual, they smell bad. To make things worse, the sport is run by a moron. Can anyone imagine McQuaid as the CEO of a Fortune 500 company giving a quarterly earnings conference call. The market's faith in the company would fall off a cliff moments after he began speaking. The stock would crater.

This to me is a very reasonable response.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

but not as good as House nor Hombre

Sup?

how about hombredesubaru? I don't think any one of them were Garmin or Vaughters fans so I would be surprised to find them here.

 

[Potomac]

The only reason to visit the clinic is to read JV's posts.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

CONGRATS W#*nk*rs !

You had the Op to see a little of the thinking of those that RUN Cycle Sport !

You took ONE Guy , stuck your fingers in both of his eyes , spun him around , pointed at the door , and expected him to find his way out with Dignity ?

WHO is going to come and treat YOU as Adults after that display of STUPIDITY ?

dirty works , says i am fawning !

All of you ignorants that know better than the Profis , hiding behind your avatars , deserve NO CREDIBILITY !

Even some of the " mods " , deserve a wake up call !

Too many times i have asked how the " Clinic " can be a " FORCE " in seeking a change , what a waste of effort that was !

Each of you scoring points off each other so as to acheive what ?

NOTHING !


Less than NOTHING !

Get over yourselves , as a group , you are not worth the time of DAY for a Profi looking for a sense of what the Tifosi is thinking !

Back to Comedy , folks ! Who has the next segment of Joke a minute ?

Sup?

Wow. really wow.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

CONGRATS W#*nk*rs !

You had the Op to see a little of the thinking of those that RUN Cycle Sport !

You took ONE Guy , stuck your fingers in both of his eyes , spun him around , pointed at the door , and expected him to find his way out with Dignity ?

WHO is going to come and treat YOU as Adults after that display of STUPIDITY ?

dirty works , says i am fawning !

All of you ignorants that know better than the Profis , hiding behind your avatars , deserve NO CREDIBILITY !

Even some of the " mods " , deserve a wake up call !

Too many times i have asked how the " Clinic " can be a " FORCE " in seeking a change , what a waste of effort that was !

Each of you scoring points off each other so as to acheive what ?

NOTHING !


Less than NOTHING !

Get over yourselves , as a group , you are not worth the time of DAY for a Profi looking for a sense of what the Tifosi is thinking !

Back to Comedy , folks ! Who has the next segment of Joke a minute ?

You need more fiber in your diet.

 

[dolophonic]

JV, how do you think Tyler Farrar will do Sunday ? Who's your pick ?

 

[thehog]

The only reason to visit the clinic is to read JV's posts.

The only reason JV comes here is for the Clinic 12.

 

[Ripper]

Right now Team Sky is making the sport look terrible. It does not matter if the team's riders are not doping. The results are such an outlier to what is usual, they smell bad. To make things worse, the sport is run by a moron. Can anyone imagine McQuaid as the CEO of a Fortune 500 company giving a quarterly earnings conference call. The market's faith in the company would fall off a cliff moments after he began speaking. The stock would crater.

Summing it up well ... Both observations are bang on.

 

[Ripper]

CONGRATS W#*nk*rs ! ...

Back to Comedy , folks ! Who has the next segment of Joke a minute ?

You are cranky.

Repeat after me - "I must remember to wipe".

 

[peace in middle east]

If it is so frustrating, why don't you just tell us what you wish to achieve by subjecting yourself to all of this?

i like your posts on the topic, ChrisE. But this is really a no-brainer.
Of course you remember Prentice's email to Garmin staff and riders. That wasn't just an email. That was Garmin's philosophy black on white. Being in the Clinic increases his cred in the eyes of the mainstream press, and eventually scores him points with the sponsors. perception becomes reality. And its working wonderfully for him.

I like it when cycling team owners like Jonathan Vaughters go onto Twitter or the forums to engage with fans.http://www.adigaskell.org/blog/2012/09/07/when-its-ok-for-celebrities-to-fail-on-social-media/

That is just one of many examples where he's being applauded for talking (anti)doping on forums.

To be sure, Vaughters knows what he's doing:

I think it did throw some people off because I was actually answering them [questions].”]http://www.podiuminsight.com/2011/05/13/vaughters-and-140-characters/

But wait:

Anyone who thinks I'm a slick talking PR man, guess I, idiotically, proved you wrong. I'm just a dumb ***. Apologies.

That tweet came just after he had 'accidentally' called out three of his own riders here in the Clinic. 'Accidentally', i.e. shortly before the USADA file would have exposed them as dopers anyway.

 

[Beech Mtn]

Given that nothing has changed as far as Hein and Pat's leadership roles in the UCI post-USADA report, I don't see how fans can be expected to take it on faith that cycling is so much cleaner. The UCI management committee couldn't even vote Hein out of his honorary position. From all appearances, it's looking like McQuaid is likely to be re-elected to his post as well. So from a bureaucratic/political standpoint, the sport doesn't appear cleaner.

Ashenden's revelations about Lance's 2009-11 biopassport not being given a full review undermined the credibility of the biopassport. Then we consider the reports about guys saying testing is infrequent, and reports that funding for the biopassport is less than it previously was. So the passport doesn't look like great proof of cleaner sport.

Then there's the issue with Sky dominating races, at the same time as reports that British Sky Broadcasting is in talks with about broadcast rights to World Series Cycling. We have both Tour and Giro starting in the UK in the next few years, and recent London Olympics. All of this makes it look like the business of cycling is in pursuit of the British market. Maybe Sky is clean, and everything is just coincidental, but it opens the door for fans to question whether Sky are being protected like Lance's teams were.

Given cycling's past, it's not hard to see why some have the opinion that UCI could be covering up Team Sky's doping. It would be nice if that opinion could be proved wrong, but given all the dirt that has come out - and the fact that new clean cycling doesn't seem to be able to rid itself of McQuaid and Verbruggen, why should fans believe?

We've been told before so many times that cycling is clean now, that there is a new clean generation. We were told it after Festina. The 1999 Tour of Redemption. The 2006 Tour was supposedly clean because the Puerto guys weren't racing. Then the 2007 Tour was another time of renewal, new clean generation. On it goes.

It appears to me that, post-Lance, cycling has/had a chance to clean itself up. But given the way the sport is structured, the apparently complicit UCI leadership couldn't even be forced out. Why should we believe it's cleaner when the structure hasn't really changed and there are still performances that appear suspicious?

In my opinion, there are going to have some actual, big changes before fans' faith is restored.

 

[skippy]

When you consider that the UCIless are giving the " fans " the two finger salute , time & time again , you are correct in thinking SSDD !

Added " fibre " to my blog diet on tourdafarce.blogspot "

 

[peace in middle east]

This to me is a very reasonable response.

Summing it up well ... Both observations are bang on.

and JV goes like "Wow, great points, didn't know that yet, thanks!"
Should tell you enough that a smart and seasoned guy like JV pretends not to have any doubts about Sky.

Isnt that a little dramatic? For instance, you come here to defend that great ABP, you defend it in the papers, maybe even on tv, just like McQuaid. Yet that great ABP failed to flag a certain dopeTex? 'Hell, it must be the software' is then the response. Who can say this software didnt 'de-flag' other riders?

You go 'full ***' on hardcore Ricco, yet this doper stayed within the believable realms of human performance, a point you make time and time again. 'Oh 5,93/5,97/6.01w/kg, that is within the believable'. Why should we believe that now? Tour 2009, infusion kits found at Astana, ABP did not flag any rider there did it? A thirty-eight-years old grandpa flying up mountains with the best, making a mockery out of the sport, yet, the heralded Anne Gripper has stated she believes/believed Armstrong was clean in 2009 saying 'there was nothing in his test results when she was at the UCI to suggest abnormal blood values.'

But, now, with less testing et all, cycling is supposed to be much cleaner? All the dodgy dottores have packed their bags or suddenly stopped poisoning the riders and the grand public?

Please forgive me when I have problems believing this. If that makes me a man that loved cycling and now is suspicious, so be it.

Donkeys turning into racehorses was bad and still is bad.

Little drama queenish, dont you think?

There are much more teams, just watch the spring Classics, it is gonna be fun.

pretty excellent post.

And again, it's not as if JV doesn't know. This thread is an excercise in pointing out what time it is to a guy who perfectly knows what time it is.
The benefit of being in here (i.e. the improved perception of JV in mainstream media) by far outshadows his occasional experience of being fully exposed, e.g. by FGL's post above.