Kreuziger going down?

[thehog]

So the UCI basically told Tinkov to go **** himself. Looking forward to see how this develops.

It's funny. UCI sits on the case for months doing nothing. Tinkoff gets jack off it and says he will ride. Therefore UCI decided to suspend the rider without due process.

Independent anti-doping body works like a charm. These guys are funny.

Does Cookson have any idea what an idiot he is?

 

[MarkvW]

that certainly clears everything up

Can someone translate that for those of us who are a bit slow?

It seems kinda like the old hematocrit percentage rule.

(a) If, after doing the review that the UCI is supposed to do, the UCI finds that a violation has occurred, then the UCI may ban the rider.

Two things protect the doper, er, I mean rider, here: (1) The UCI's review can be stacked however the UCI wants to stack it; and (2) the UCI is not required to suspend--the provision says it may suspend.

(b) The ban can only be effective "for such time that the violation, in the
opinion of the Anti-Doping Commission or such member, is likely to affect the Rider’s results."

The "Anti-Doping Commission" (whatever that is) can only ban the rider for so long as the rider's anomaly keeps him "in the glow." The language here is very discretionary, it seems. It uses "in the opinion of the Anti-Doping Commission or such member" language. That tells me that you probably can't read that paragraph in isolation. There might be appeals provisions elsewhere. Maybe there aren't appeals, though. In which case, it would appear that the Commission or Commission Member's word is final. If the ban is less than a week, it appears the rider must just eat the ban.

If the ban is more than a week, the rider can "file written submissions." This language, in isolation, appears pretty stupid. What is the Commission supposed to do with those submissions? Maybe there is language somewhere else. Also, the rider gets to keep submitting stuff whenever he wants, in order to prove that his biochemistry is back to "normal" (whatever that means in the twisted world of pro cycling). Once the rider is "back to normal" he'll be able to ride again.

The next paragraph is results management stuff. I couldn't care less about that.

 

[thehog]

It seems kinda like the old hematocrit percentage rule.

(a) If, after doing the review that the UCI is supposed to do, the UCI finds that a violation has occurred, then the UCI may ban the rider.

Two things protect the doper, er, I mean rider, here: (1) The UCI's review can be stacked however the UCI wants to stack it; and (2) the UCI is not required to suspend--the provision says it may suspend.

(b) The ban can only be effective "for such time that the violation, in the
opinion of the Anti-Doping Commission or such member, is likely to affect the Rider’s results."

The "Anti-Doping Commission" (whatever that is) can only ban the rider for so long as the rider's anomaly keeps him "in the glow." The language here is very discretionary, it seems. It uses "in the opinion of the Anti-Doping Commission or such member" language. That tells me that you probably can't read that paragraph in isolation. There might be appeals provisions elsewhere. Maybe there aren't appeals, though. In which case, it would appear that the Commission or Commission Member's word is final. If the ban is less than a week, it appears the rider must just eat the ban.

If the ban is more than a week, the rider can "file written submissions." This language, in isolation, appears pretty stupid. What is the Commission supposed to do with those submissions? Maybe there is language somewhere else. Also, the rider gets to keep submitting stuff whenever he wants, in order to prove that his biochemistry is back to "normal" (whatever that means in the twisted world of pro cycling). Once the rider is "back to normal" he'll be able to ride again.

The next paragraph is results management stuff. I couldn't care less about that.

They key word here is "discretionary". The entirety of the process appears to the "discretionary".

The teams and the riders are at the whim of the UCI. When Saxo pushed it the UCI just hit the "discretionary" button and he was suspended.

Basically due process without the due process

Brailsford got it right with Heano. Get in before the "discretionary" due process.

 

[BroDeal]

It looks very sketchy to me. The UCI is basing the suspension on the idea that Kreuziger's results may be affected because of his ongoing bio passport investigation. This is in turn based on a rule that says that all results after a positive sample may be disqualified. But the disqualification rule says that the disqualification must be fair. I think it is hard to argue that taking years to decide whether a bio passport sample is positive then still DQing from the date of the sample is fair.

Basically the UCI is scrounging around for whatever reasoning it can find to prevent Kreuziger from competing and it does not care whether it has to twist the rules to do so. It is the same sort of corruption we saw from McQuaid and Verbruggen. The UCI does what it wants, the rules be damned.

 

[thehog]

It looks very sketchy to me. The UCI is basing the suspension on the idea that Kreuziger's results may be affected because of his ongoing bio passport investigation. This is in turn based on a rule that says that all results after a positive sample may be disqualified. But the disqualification rule says that the disqualification must be fair. I think it is hard to argue that taking years to decide whether a bio passport sample is positive then still DQing from the date of the sample is fair.

Basically the UCI is scrounging around for whatever reasoning it can find to prevent Kreuziger from competing and it does not care whether it has to twist the rules to do so. It is the same sort of corruption we saw from McQuaid and Verbruggen. The UCI does what it wants, the rules be damned.

It's cool isn't it?

And the passport allows them to be corrupt in an official, legal way

Cookson needs to thank McQuaid for the passport. It's basically a doping monitoring system for the UCI to pick and choose who wins the Tour. It's awesome.

 

[the sceptic]

Oleg Tinkov ‏@olegtinkov

I think UCI is a past,team,race organizers should get together and get rid of this bureaucrats,that have NO CLUE how to manage professionals

 

[richwagmn]

It's funny. UCI sits on the case for months doing nothing. Tinkoff gets jack off it and says he will ride. Therefore UCI decided to suspend the rider without due process.

Independent anti-doping body works like a charm. These guys are funny.

Does Cookson have any idea what an idiot he is?

This. What a bunch of *** clowns.

 

[sniper]

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[thehog]

This. What a bunch of *** clowns.

UCI transparency at it's finest. Cookson is an utter joke. He's so disorganized. Has no idea how to run a corrupt organisation properly

 

[Rollthedice]

 

[Rollthedice]

Andrew McQuaid @andrewmcquaid · 2h
What an absolute disgrace by UCI. Kreuziger has never tested positive, and has not been convicted of anything yet. The most very basic....

Andrew McQuaid @andrewmcquaid · 2h
... Principal of innocent until proven guilty out the window. People charged with murder get better legal protections.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Andrew McQuaid @andrewmcquaid · 2h
What an absolute disgrace by UCI. Kreuziger has never tested positive, and has not been convicted of anything yet. The most very basic....

Andrew McQuaid @andrewmcquaid · 2h
... Principal of innocent until proven guilty out the window. People charged with murder get better legal protections.

Ughh. That's what happens when your brother ran the UCI. You don't know sh!t about the way anti-doping works and make mad money at the same time.

 

[Jancouver]

Guilty or not, suspending a rider without a positive test smells like an automatic lawsuit to me. How much should K'ziger sue for? 10mil? 20mil? 100mil?

His lawyer is already fuming about this all over the Czech news. Would be funny to watch the clowns from the UCI Circus reaction once the lawsuit arrives.

 

[DirtyWorks]

It's cool isn't it?

And the passport allows them to be corrupt in an official, legal way

Cookson needs to thank McQuaid for the passport. It's basically a doping monitoring system for the UCI to pick and choose who wins the Tour. It's awesome.

Bingo. Still, Verbruggen was THE LAST federation to sign or else not participate in the Olympics. That's how much he wanted to keep the EPO flowing.

The IOC knew all of this going in.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Guilty or not, suspending a rider without a positive test smells like an automatic lawsuit to me. How much should K'ziger sue for? 10mil? 20mil? 100mil?

His lawyer is already fuming about this all over the Czech news. Would be funny to watch the clowns from the UCI Circus reaction once the lawsuit arrives.

Suing the UCI in Switzerland will end badly for Roman. The UCI knows they can do this and did it.

I am looking forward to more positives from Saxo-Tinko real soon.

 

[thehog]

Suing the UCI in Switzerland will end badly for Roman. The UCI knows they can do this and did it.

I am looking forward to more positives from Saxo-Tinko real soon.

Doesn't even need positives as that may damage the sport.

The UCI can turn the screw on TUE approvals and send out a few passport letters and have them sit in limbo for the next 18 months. They should tie Oleg up in knots and keep him in line.

Oleg & JV super cycling series buyout cortsoetium to be formed a short time after

 

[DirtyWorks]

Doesn't even need positives as that may damage the sport.

The UCI can turn the screw on TUE approvals and send out a few passport letters and have them sit in limbo for the next 18 months. They should tie Oleg up in knots and keep him in line.

Oleg & JV super cycling series buyout cortsoetium to be formed a short time after

...and Oleg thought he could collect the sports best riders as economic leverage.

 

[thehog]

...and Oleg thought he could collect the sports best riders as economic leverage.

Yes Russian economic principles don't work at the UCI. You can't just buy the UCI like a government owned oil company.

Sky got it right. They put their guy in as president and seduced the previous one with meeting the royals.

 

[doperhopper]

Doesn't even need positives as that may damage the sport.

The UCI can turn the screw on TUE approvals and send out a few passport letters and have them sit in limbo for the next 18 months. They should tie Oleg up in knots and keep him in line.

Oleg & JV super cycling series buyout cortsoetium to be formed a short time after

unfortunately they have to first convince/buy ASO before they can even think to do something against UCI mafia (and btw, don't think it will automatically start The New Clean Era)

 

[thehog]

unfortunately they have to first convince/buy ASO before they can even think to do something against UCI mafia (and btw, don't think it will automatically start The New Clean Era)

Similar to the Sky presentations of the past I'm sure Oleg can introduce ASO to some well funded Russian businesses.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Similar to the Sky presentations of the past I'm sure Oleg can introduce ASO to some well funded Russian businesses.

Just like ASO let Astana ride for French national interests? Impossible!

 

[leon993]

What has happened is probably that ASO asked TS to pull out Kreuz of TDF due to the "probable case" (no suspension) from UCI. TS then pull Kreuz out. TS want to test UCI and put Kreuz in lineup of tour of Poland and possible Vuelta.

Then comes Tinkoff's twitt about suing UCI due to the extensive money lost.

UCI panics, "limit our losses", "limit our losses". They put a suspension on Kreuz.

I am thinking of poor Kreuz. He must be thinking WTF happened to me..

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

The anti-doping authorities had raised concerns over fluctuations in the rider's biological passport between March 2011 and August 2011, and between April 2012 through the end of the 2012 Giro d'Italia.

So, basicly, UCI are saying they have a problem Roman stopping doping there. That is the only conclusion a sane man can make looking at his results over those periods.

Kreuziger was first contacted by the UCI on the eve of the 2013 Tour de France.

Mmmh, that was two months after his omission he trained with il Dottore?

UCI are the best.

Good thing they caught this doper, too bad of all the other nutters out there with African disseases which will give them nice TUE's for every race they want to win.

 

[sniper]

Oleg & JV super cycling series buyout cortsoetium to be formed a short time after

nice touch.
had almomst forgotten that nice little chapter.

 

[hrotha]

Not sure why you guys have a problem with Kreuziger not being the first passport case to not get a provisional suspension.

Or rather, I'm quite sure why that is and it's BS.