Newsflash. Brian Cookson, british cycling, to stand against Pat McQuaid (SUI) for uci

[BroDeal]

The vortex begins to pick up speed.

 

[red_flanders]

...16 mile per hour freds whose big event of the year is a local recreational century.

I resemble that remark.

 

[red_flanders]

A few years from now, we'll be having the same discussions about Cookson that we're having now about McQuaid.

Most of you already know this too.

Hopefully not, but I fear this as well. Likely outcome, a slightly different, less mean-spirited and more commercially viable form of corruption.

If he is elected and is able and willing to remove the UCI from the testing business it will have been well worth it though.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Do you know what "prejudice" means?

Nobody is "prejudiced" against the list you've offered. There is plenty of evidence on which to base suspicion of the Brits, Sky, UCI, and Murdoch.

It means you pre-judge something or someone, which is the perfect way to describe how people are reacting to Cookson. Judged before he's even been elected. Why? He's in charge of BC, has Sky links, which has Murdoch links, and has been a member of the UCI under McQuaid's watch.

And 'evidence to base suspicion on' is an oxymoron. If you have evidence you can be certain, not merely suspicious.

And FYI oxymoron isn't an insult, just in case.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

If Cookson knew nothing then he has no business being president of the UCI, since he's clearly clueless about the goings-on in cycling.

Dont blaime Brian:
http://www.briancookson.org/en/biography/

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UCI International Commissaire (1986 - 2009) incl. Olympic Games, multiple World Championships and international stage races

Never saw anything, move along.

Next candidate please.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Next stop: Blaming the French or another foreign bogeyman.

Strawman, very good, well done.

 

[red_flanders]

It means you pre-judge something or someone, which is the perfect way to describe how people are reacting to Cookson. Judged before he's even been elected. Why? He's in charge of BC, has Sky links, which has Murdoch links, and has been a member of the UCI under McQuaid's watch.

And 'evidence to base suspicion on' is an oxymoron. If you have evidence you can be certain, not merely suspicious.

And FYI oxymoron isn't an insult, just in case.

No, you're simply incorrect. Evidence breeds suspicion. Proof breeds certainty. People on the interwebs do seem to have trouble with the distinction between proof and evidence.

If someone knew nothing about Cookson and judged him (one way or another) because of some surface quality that they did or didn't like, that would be prejudice.

If someone knew that he had ties to existing teams and owners and regarded that as a conflict of interest, that's judgement. No pre involved.

You're welcome.

 

[BroDeal]

Strawman, very good, well done.

You might have more credibility if you knew what a strawman is.

Don't make ludicrous charges of people not trusting Cookson because he is British if you don't want to be called on it.

 

[Hugh Januss]

What makes you think that if PMQ wind he will be exposed and thrown out, just more like business as usual

I think the door has cracked open and can not be shut again. Also he has enough insider enemies that the pressure on him will only increase (unless he buys 'em all off, or kicks 'em all out). Left to themselves these enemies, Russian, American, and Brit. will just replace McQ's way of doing (crooked) business with their own. Makarov? Plant? Direct connect w/ Murdoch? The term "out of the frying pan and into the fire" springs to mind here.

 

[red_flanders]

This forum is the only place I've ever heard of this rabid prejudice against the British by Americans.

Given history, I'd have thought if there were any prejudice would be favorable.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

That makes ZERO sense. Cookson is much closer to being in the know than me, and I can smell the putrid stench coming from McQuaid and Verbruggen. Apparently, Cookson's awareness isn't very well developed as he offered his support as early as this year to McQuaid's re-election bid. He'd make a poor choice for UCI chief, though it seems competent choices are few and far between.

Hold on - you wrote this
"Apparently, the Clinic knew more about this than Cookson" - now you are backtracking and changing it to Cookson should have known. (known what exactly?).

As for Cookson supporting McQ earlier this year - again thats easy.
If as is suggested he was 'in the know' then he would have offered his support and been quite happy with corrupt Pat, knowing McQ would kill off the investigation.

Or he didn't know (fully) about McQ being corrupt, and assumed McQ was attempting to genuinely address the issues. But if McQ faltered then use it to counter.

 

[JimmyFingers]

You might have more credibility if you knew what a strawman is.

Don't make ludicrous charges of people not trusting Cookson because he is British if you don't want to be called on it.

I've experienced a tremendous amount of prejudice and antipathy on this board towards the British. It has been consistent throughout the time I have been here, peaking throughout the Olympics. It's here, it happens.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

I've experienced.

Is that a fact or is it just a subjective judgement by you?

Bad card Jimmy.

Cookson is backed by the nice Makarov. Are we also anti - Russian? Cookson is backed by LeMond, are we anti - LeMond?

Etc etc.

 

[BroDeal]

I've experienced a tremendous amount of prejudice and antipathy on this board towards the British. It has been consistent throughout the time I have been here, peaking throughout the Olympics. It's here, it happens.

American hicks thought they experienced a tremendous amount of anti-American prejudice and antipathy when people were pointing out Armstrong's obvious doping. I guess that happens when someone makes a doper the flag bearer of national identity.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I've experienced a tremendous amount of prejudice and antipathy on this board towards the British. It has been consistent throughout the time I have been here, peaking throughout the Olympics. It's here, it happens.

Would that be because you joined in July 2012?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Dont blaime Brian:
http://www.briancookson.org/en/biography/

:


Never saw anything, move along.

Next candidate please.

You mentioned upthread how Cookson was part of the inner circle - I want you to be clear, being a Commissaire since 86, does that you are part of that inner circle?

 

[Hugh Januss]

This forum is the only place I've ever heard of this rabid prejudice against the British by Americans.

Given history, I'd have thought if there were any prejudice would be favorable.

We can't help it we are still smarting over our defeat in 1783........oh, wait, that was you guys.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

You mentioned upthread how Cookson was part of the inner circle - I want you to be clear, is being a Commissaire since 86 that you are part of that inner circle?

I want to be clear, yes, being a commissairi since 1986 makes you part of the inner circle.

Not his background in landscaping, for sure.

Cookson being part of the UCI since 1986 and seeing what went on, not even the epo - revo but also the Hein Verbruggen revo which meant commercialisation and globalisation of the sport, he was a firsthand withness, loving it. It lead to him becoming the big man of British Cycling, just check his CV, he has done well.

If he didnt like it he would have stepped down.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I want to be clear, yes, being a commissairi since 1986 makes you part of the inner circle.

Thats a pretty big inner circle.

Not his background in landscaping, for sure.

Cookson being part of the UCI since 1986 and seeing what went on, not even the epo - revo but also the Hein Verbruggen revo which meant commercialisation and globalisation of the sport, he was a firsthand withness, loving it. It lead to him becoming the big man of British Cycling, just check his CV, he has done well.

If he didnt like it he would have stepped down.

Damn, all that time wasted being a Commisaire looking at riders a$$es when all he had to do was read Cyclingnews.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Thats a pretty big inner circle.


Damn, all that time wasted being a Commisaire looking at riders a$$es when all he had to do was read Cyclingnews.

Losing vortex time doc. You can do better, at least I hope for your sake. Another question perhaps? Or has Saint J. of V. instructed otherwise?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Losing vortex time doc. You can do better, at least I hope for your sake. Another question perhaps? Or has Saint J. of V. instructed otherwise?

Ya, I am losing it so badly that is why you threw in the vortex and JV stuff.

If you think being a Commissaire makes you any closer to the real dealings within the UCI at Aigle, or part of some inner circle- then I am very happy to disagree with that and stand by it.

 

[DirtyWorks]

I've experienced a tremendous amount of prejudice and antipathy on this board towards the British. It has been consistent throughout the time I have been here, peaking throughout the Olympics. It's here, it happens.

Playing the victim card doesn't make a case that Cookson (specific to this thread) is some kind of saviour for Pro Cycling. I have grave doubts he will bring some legitimacy to Pro Cycling. I hope I'm wrong. Really.

Red_flanders, the same goes for your comment. Claiming discussion about legitimate doubts regarding a months-long sudden and overwhelming domination of a grand tour squad is some kind of nationalist screed is wrong. Maybe some malcontent somewhere posted something, but that has not been the norm.

 

[red_flanders]

Red_flanders, the same goes for your comment. Claiming discussion about legitimate doubts regarding a months-long sudden and overwhelming domination of a grand tour squad is some kind of nationalist screed is wrong. Maybe some malcontent somewhere posted something, but that has not been the norm.

I'll admit that I'm honestly lost on that one. Can you clarify what comment you're referring to and how I've said or inferred what you state? Not trying to argue or defend anything, just don't know what you're talking about. Thanks.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

It means you pre-judge something or someone, which is the perfect way to describe how people are reacting to Cookson. Judged before he's even been elected.

What are you talking about? Evaluating someone BEFORE they get elected is the entire basis of democracy. That's what ELECTIONS are all about. Evaluating someone's qualifications BEFORE the election happens, not AFTER.

Seriously, WTF?

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

American hicks thought they experienced a tremendous amount of anti-American prejudice and antipathy when people were pointing out Armstrong's obvious doping. I guess that happens when someone makes a doper the flag bearer of national identity.

This. +10000000000