Official Lance Armstrong Thread **READ POST #1 BEFORE POSTING**

[JMBeaushrimp]

"I just want to be adored". Who's lyric?

If you're saying "I want to be adored", then Andy's right - stone roses. If not, then I don't have a clue...

I like the channeling of your inner Seuss, though...

 

[Race Radio]

Ummm if you post ridiculous things and then refuse to cite the source and reliability of the source, it is the topic of this thread. THe campaign against Lance conducted by Landis. If the FFF was funded by Lance's friends, just let everyone know this information. It is central to the topic.

Expect that you are going to continue to push this babble...even though it means nothing

He established the Floyd Fairness Fund and sought financial support.

Backing came from some of the same people who bankrolled Tailwind. Mr. Weisel chipped in $50,000, says Mr. Landis. Mr. Bucksbaum sent tens of thousands to Mr. Landis's law firm. Mr. Williams, the Connecticut businessman, and Mr. Cashin, the private-equity executive, sent money. Mr. Landis says he spent about $2 million on his defense, and that about 70% of the outside money he raised came from this circle of wealthy cycling backers.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704457604576011490820993006.html

Now your turn. You claimed Landis threaten and tried to blackmail Lance and the Hog. Where is your proof.....or did you just make this up?

 

[thehog]

Ummm if you post ridiculous things and then refuse to cite the source and reliability of the source, it is the topic of this thread. THe campaign against Lance conducted by Landis. If the FFF was funded by Lance's friends, just let everyone know this information. It is central to the topic.

From the WSJ:

The Tailwind partners were also involved in the Floyd Fairness Fund, set up to finance Floyd Landis' defence after he tested positive for testosterone during the Tour de France 2006.

Landis claimed that he spent about $2 million dollars defending himself, with about 70 per cent of the funding coming from the Tailwind backers, including Weisel, John Bucksbaum, David Williams and Richard Cashin Jr.

James Cox Kennedy, of Cox Enterprises, was not part of Tailwind, but sponsored a fundraiser for the FFF and made a donation. He was one of many who thought Landis was telling the truth about not doping. “I believed him when he said he was innocent and then was highly disappointed when he later said he lied and cheated.”

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/us-postal-backers-could-be-under-investigation

 

[Oldman]

If you're saying "I want to be adored", then Andy's right - stone roses. If not, then I don't have a clue...

I like the channeling of your inner Seuss, though...

Stone Roses it is. As for Suessian philosophy Polish fits right in. Those not paying attention to nuance and sarcasm probably can't guess where he stands on issues and might confuse him with the volunteer/paid apologists. As Lance's bandwith evaporates I hope he takes up another cause for the relief from seriousness.

 

[thehog]

"I just want to be adored". Who's lyric?

I am a huge Armstrongs fan, I will always be as long as I live. I just dont understand why some people hate him? Raised by a poor woman working two jobs, has been through hell because of cancer, loses his job because of his illness, comes back after all that, wins 7 times. No matter race, age and country, millions of people with all kinds of difficulties remember this man and say to themselves " I shouldnt give up, there is hope" but still some have nothing but hate for this man, i dont get it.

 

[Damiano Machiavelli]

I wonder how much money Floyd raised from regular Joes. He spent two million. $1.4 million came from Lance's friends. He might have spent $300K. His good friend Dr. Kay might have kicked in some money. The amount raised from fools could be a fairly small figure like $200K.

If Floyd fears that he will be indicted for his fund then it would look good if he was trying to make amends before the indictment. It might even stave off an indictment. He should make some money and start paying claims of regular Joes. He could return to racing with the stated purpose of using his salary to make payments. He has enough notoriety that the publicity of him racing has to be worth something. It might also give him a goal to concentrate on.

 

[Damiano Machiavelli]

I...loses his job because of his illness...

He got a six hundred thousand dollar payment to end his contract. Cry me a river about it.

 

[Oldman]

I am a huge Armstrongs fan, I will always be as long as I live. I just dont understand why some people hate him? Raised by a poor woman working two jobs, has been through hell because of cancer, loses his job because of his illness, comes back after all that, wins 7 times. No matter race, age and country, millions of people with all kinds of difficulties remember this man and say to themselves " I shouldnt give up, there is hope" but still some have nothing but hate for this man, i dont get it.

OK we love you as much as Polish. Needy is as needy does...

 

[thehog]

I wonder how much money Floyd raised from regular Joes. He spent two million. $1.4 million came from Lance's friends. He might have spent $300K. His good friend Dr. Kay might have kicked in some money. The amount raised from fools could be a fairly small figure like $200K.

If Floyd fears that he will be indicted for his fund then it would look good if he was trying to make amends before the indictment. It might even stave off an indictment. He should make some money and start paying claims of regular Joes. He could return to racing with the stated purpose of using his salary to make payments. He has enough notoriety that the publicity of him racing has to be worth something. It might also give him a goal to concentrate on.

Landis pegged in 400k of his own, some from Kay therefore f-rk a lll from the Smoes. Armstrong's charity is paying his legal bills which is far greater than two million.

 

[Damiano Machiavelli]

Landis pegged in 400k of his own, some from Kay therefore f-rk a lll from the Smoes. Armstrong's charity is paying his legal bills which is far greater than two million.

That would mean that about $20K could make 20% of the Joes/schmoes whole.

 

[veganrob]

I am a huge Armstrongs fan, I will always be as long as I live. I just dont understand why some people hate him? Raised by a poor woman working two jobs, has been through hell because of cancer, loses his job because of his illness, comes back after all that, wins 7 times. No matter race, age and country, millions of people with all kinds of difficulties remember this man and say to themselves " I shouldnt give up, there is hope" but still some have nothing but hate for this man, i dont get it.

Yah, Polish gas a much better lyrical quality about his posts, but you show some promise . Keep it uo

 

[thehog]

That would mean that about $20K could make 20% of the Joes/schmoes whole.

As much a people "believed" back there they were hardly going to give much more than $20 here and $50 there to Floyd. It didn't add up to a whole lot.

 

[Polish]

As much a people "believed" back there they were hardly going to give much more than $20 here and $50 there to Floyd. It didn't add up to a whole lot.

Did not add up to a whole lot?
I beg your pardon, but I think it DID add up to a lot.
A WHOLE lot.

The VAST majority who donated to the FFF were hard working folk.
Maybe 98% plus.
Men, women, and probably some children too.
John, Jane, and Conner Doe's.
Maybe a thousand people strong.
Not corporate fat cats. Not well healed mucky mucks.

What those "believers" gave to Floyd was worth much MORE than money.
Floyd APPRECIATED their support above all else, you know its true.
At least I would hope you know its true.

 

[Velodude]

Don't put words in my mouth! That's not what I wrote. As journalist, I used a police scanner daily. They are not limited to police channels only. Air traffic can be monitored. I never said TH used one. I was citing means by witch journalists gather information. Usually you monitor for flight with problems or problem passengers. It would then be possible to know if LA had returned to Aspen IF using one and IF you knew the aircraft call letters. I was merely stating means by which you could know about an incoming flight and his whereabouts. It's what is possible, not what is fact.

Billy, are "witch journalists" a secret coven in your claimed profession?

Or do you think you will have a Pulitzer worthy scoop with a Salem like investigative exposure in Aspen?

 

[Polish]

don't forget that Tyler went on 60 minutes just because he is bringing out a book

Don't want to pick nits - but he is TRYING to bring a book out.
Has not found a publisher yet.
Needs some publicity.
Maybe he has found a publisher by now though?
Tylermore
We will see, we will see.

 

[Neworld]

Did not add up to a whole lot?
I beg your pardon, but I think it DID add up to a lot.
A WHOLE lot.

The VAST majority who donated to the FFF were hard working folk.
Maybe 98% plus.
Men, women, and probably some children too....]

What those "believers" gave to Floyd was worth much MORE than money.
Floyd APPRECIATED their support above all else, you know its true.
At least I would hope you know its true.

Wow Polish, great post.

You say "hard working folk" and "believers giving much MORE than money".

Clearly then you have great compassion for the most vulnerable and fragile 'believer's' alive...those that are about to die. What say you about LA and his abuse of cancer patient's trust being tied to his personal financial gain?

By the way, since recent posters have cited the LA backed funding of the FFF...where has Davestoller gone...

cricket, cricket, cricket.

NW

 

[Oldman]

From the WSJ:

The Tailwind partners were also involved in the Floyd Fairness Fund, set up to finance Floyd Landis' defence after he tested positive for testosterone during the Tour de France 2006.

Landis claimed that he spent about $2 million dollars defending himself, with about 70 per cent of the funding coming from the Tailwind backers, including Weisel, John Bucksbaum, David Williams and Richard Cashin Jr.

James Cox Kennedy, of Cox Enterprises, was not part of Tailwind, but sponsored a fundraiser for the FFF and made a donation. He was one of many who thought Landis was telling the truth about not doping. “I believed him when he said he was innocent and then was highly disappointed when he later said he lied and cheated.”

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/us-postal-backers-could-be-under-investigation

It's difficult to believe any of those folks in Tailwind or the periphery didn't have a clue what was going on. Cox might have believed, as Floyd did at the time that he didn't test positive for the testosterone. That had been the heart of Floyd's defense approach and his current public disclosure about his general program. He admits he doped but not for what he lost the Yellow jersey over.
That some of the Tailwind partners may know he was doping and had previously been part of the USPS program would be a serious problem if they ever discussed that issue before they donated to Floyd's fund. If they helped organized the donations to the defense fund with any assurances from Floyd he'd confine his testimony to Phonak days anyone involved would be in deeper sh*t. I doubt any of those gents would be that stupid.

 

[Mr. O'Clock]

Awesome-- another hilarious "reenactment"

yo mama so fat she sits next to evreyone

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

That one is not far from the truth. Hear Wonderboy and the garden gnome are not getting along that well these days.

I hadn't heard that. "Garden Gnome" I mean. That's funny! I get the impression there aren't too many people getting along with that well with Wonderboy these days.

we need Wigans in the animations. What is the program called, cannopt believe how much Wigans looks like one of those condom sacked muppets.]

LOL.Xtranormal.

Agree with others, last year's versions were funnier. Though I see big potential for a LA/TH at Cache Cache episode.

 

[Exroadman24902]

you'll mostly be disappointed to hear that Radioshack are extending their sponsorship of the cycling team for another two years. IMO this is good news though. Perhaps the grand jury has ended. We'll never know though

http://velonews.competitor.com/2011...ek-livestrong-to-continue-through-2013_180148

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

While I realize the LA thread is a massive run-on, I'm probably going to merge that thread over there in a day or so. So if you have anything specific to say about this topic, get it out now before it's buried into that thread.

Now, before anyone asks: The reason I'm going to merge it is that this is the Clinic, not the Lance Armstrong forum.

Now, before any asks: The reason we don't have a forum dedicated to Armstrong is because he's retired, and hadn't won a meaningful race in several years when he was racing. The only real thing he's done related to cycling is mostly clam up when ex-friends and teammates testified that he's just another doper.

 

[blackcat]

I think this is the First Act AdH. ThirdFrankie iteration, just warming up, aintya Frankie!

First Act is the warm up, this exposition is about to come, and it was funny in 1 thru 4, with promises of greatness to come.

 

[andy1234]

Oh I have a sense of humour, trust me, and there are a lot of things I find funny.

Just not these videos.

I'm with you on this.
The originals were funny.
These feel like the creator is being paid by the word.

 

[sniper]

you'll mostly be disappointed to hear that Radioshack are extending their sponsorship of the cycling team for another two years. IMO this is good news though. Perhaps the grand jury has ended. We'll never know though

http://velonews.competitor.com/2011...ek-livestrong-to-continue-through-2013_180148

Why not?
are you switching off your TV, radio and internet for the next couple of years?
Even then, you might read about it in the newspaper.

 

[ultimobici]

you'll mostly be disappointed to hear that Radioshack are extending their sponsorship of the cycling team for another two years. IMO this is good news though. Perhaps the grand jury has ended. We'll never know though

http://velonews.competitor.com/2011...ek-livestrong-to-continue-through-2013_180148

Not what the article says. They say that a source close to the negotiations claims that they are signing up for 2 more years. Doesn't say RS but all three sponsors.

More spin, methinks. TRS may continue, but I'll be surprised if RS themselves are as prominent a sponsor without LA.