Publicus said:
I agree. As the Flaming Lips sang ... "Evil will prevail".
Dammit he's getting stronger as the race goes on. He just doesn't have the accelleration but the strength is there alright.
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I agree. As the Flaming Lips sang ... "Evil will prevail".
Dammit he's getting stronger as the race goes on. He just doesn't have the accelleration but the strength is there alright.
Publicus said:
I don't think it will matter. The Shreks will try a last ditch effort to break Contador, so the pace will be very high.
klodifan said:
Kloden used up an enormous amount of energy trying to pull himself over the top after he was put in the limit. This move by his teammate puts the podium positions in serious jeopardy for the team that has tried to serve him.
I could be wrong... but my guess is if he attacked on the bottom it would look a lot like what happend sastre todayPublicus said:
Not enough mountain stages, and that TTT was twice as long as it needed to be.Parrot23 said:
Lance may get free reign from his team on Astana, but I don't see him being strong enough to get away, and stay away.
sometriguy said:
Could be. We saw how he was able to respond to the Shreks' initial attack, but that sapped him so he could not respond to the two of the one two punch. He then faded.
We have not seen anything that suggests that Armstrong can climb with the Schlecks or Contador when it is steep and they drop the hammer.
BroDeal said:
I don't think Armstrong will ride off. Not with the yellow jersey in the group. An accident or complete bonk in the yellow jersey might require Armstrong's assistence. Look for Armstrong to take a big bite out of the Shreks tomorrow, and for him to stay on their wheel up Ventoux for a podium placement.
BroDeal said:
Ventoux is totally different to today's stage. Actually we haven't seen anything like that in this year's Tour. I'd say it's more like Verbier but the 18K lenght will make it much harder. The 10% gradients at the start of the climb won't suit him and I would guess that A.Schleck and Contador ride away from the others with maybe Nibali hanging close. I bet Armstrong will come in about 2mins off the pace.
The Ventoux doesn't favour a solo attack, usually there is too much wind. I assume the Schlecks will want to recapture some of the time they are bound to lose in the TT. Perhaps a Schleck/Contador lead group with an attack close to the last 1-2k?
RdBiker said:
I am not sure about Armstrong being that far off the pace. He has looked stronger. I have a feeling that after the TT, Contador will be so far up on every one, Lance will be free.
What i mean is that Lance first attempted to bridge up to the group on the Romme, but he had to stop his attack due to Wiggins being on his wheel. At that time, Wiggins was still consider a threat to the overall because he was only 2 minutes down with a TT to come. On Saturday, Wiggins will be best case scenario within 3 minutes of Alberto, so if Lance needs to get across, it won't matter if Wiggins comes with him, because he is not a threat anymore to the Yellow. In fact, after the TT, I think that Contador's main goal is to stick to wheels and nothing else.
Alpe d'Huez said:
Agree with the latter, but I don't understand the complaints that you and others have made about the length of the TTT
2009: 39 Km
2004: 65 Km
2003: 69 Km
2002: 67.5 Km
2001: 67 Km
2000: 70 Km
The 2009 version was 43% shorter than the length of the average TTT during the preceding decade.
It seemed to me that, as a tradeoff for going with actual time differences, the organizers specifically set out to drastically shorten the course in order to attempt to keep times gaps reasonable. The plan may not have worked, but I don't see how anyone can claim about the length of this yrs TTT compared to the traditional distance for that stage.
Parrot23 said:Agree on both counts.
On latter, people must still think he's doped to his eyeballs?Physics says he can do it on one stage (watts/kg), experience/pedigree says not on consecutive ones. He's clean.
Again, 1,2,3 on podium for one team not good for cycling. Shades of Mapei. It's done by team, not individual.
More shades of Gweiss, I was thinking.
Recovery is a wonderful thing, is it not?
Disappointed in Saxo's goal. Someone said on here, before the Tour even started, that Riis would have them riding for 2nd and so it is.
Clearly, their aim, today, was to give them a shot at the bottom two rungs of the podium.
All very tepid. This Tour could have been raced with less than 10 teams.
For me, this will be another year to forget.
How long to the Giro?
So you're complaining about the one team who has been attacking? The rest of the field is wheel-hugging TTers. Sad situation, really - but hardly the fault of the saxos. This has been a year to forget as all tours with one supreme rider riding on the strongest team has been a year to forget. YOu cant like many editions of the tour de france.
RdBiker said:
I agree with you that Armstrong will lose time but for a different reason. He seems strong enough to ride with any lead group but his ability to respond to fast accelerations or a quick change in pace is lacking. Given the ability to attack back he likely would have gotten back to the lead group today and to Schleck on the Verbier. But he is not allowed to respond. Meaning he will get dropped on Ventoux and have to ride behind a slow group and lose 2-5 minutes of time. Tomorrow should be a much better gaugue of how strong he is.
The american spectators should have pushed Contador and schlecks off their bikes. Lance has earned the right to his 8th tour win. God bless america.
Not a good move by Contador to attack. Kloden may have been struggling, but that's still no reason to go. They were still putting time into Wiggins, which was the main objective. Possibly Astana could have swept the podium, but I think AS is in there now.
As far as the finish goes, I'd imagine JB said don't lose any time, but I'd be very surprised if he asked Contador to try and win. That's pretty much how it looked like it worked out to me.
Unless Wiggins has a miraculous recovery, he's probably done for a podium spot. He won't put much time into LA tomorrow, and maybe not into Kloden. He's too far behind Schleck, who will probably put time back into him on Ventoux.
Most likely podium:
1. AC
2. AS
3. LA
As far as the finish goes, I'd imagine JB said don't lose any time, but I'd be very surprised if he asked Contador to try and win. That's pretty much how it looked like it worked out to me.
Unless Wiggins has a miraculous recovery, he's probably done for a podium spot. He won't put much time into LA tomorrow, and maybe not into Kloden. He's too far behind Schleck, who will probably put time back into him on Ventoux.
Most likely podium:
1. AC
2. AS
3. LA
I've given Contadope the benefit of the doubt until today. He is truly a pompous little ***. I hope he tests positive for dope as he just proved he is the biggest dope in the tour.
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