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State of Peloton 2023

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Well I don't know when it started exactly, but I do remember that there as a little debate when he was banned for amphetamine use back in 2002. Not everyone believed his story about having taking unknown pills in a club. With what we know now though, that sounds like a pretty realistic thing for Ulle to do.

There were general doubts though and I think Ullrich was regularly asked about the topic of doping.

97 I was so young I don't remember any doping debates fullstop. The first time doping became known and a reality to me was with the Festina scandal I think. There was, from then on imo, enough public debate about doping to become suspicious yourself about the peloton in general and Ullrich in specific as well.

Does growing up in East Germany was a part of the discussion, considering how tied to the mythology of doping the DDR was ?

On the other hand I can see Ullrich having some slack because he was tagged as a prodigy very early on.
 
What about the stage today being on of the fastest ones ever in Tour?

Stage 19th, 2023.
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Matteo Trentin made a comment during his Italian interview... I'm sure he was just joking and not insinuating anything (he was in the break, after all) but he said that if you have a 50cc motorbike, you'll have to "hot rod" it to keep up with the current peloton.
 
View: https://twitter.com/MATTEOTRENTIN/status/1682431080823922702?t=Fgo014cuOQzwalDBbv48RA&s=19


Matteo Trentin made a comment during his Italian interview... I'm sure he was just joking and not insinuating anything (he was in the break, after all) but he said that if you have a 50cc motorbike, you'll have to "hot rod" it to keep up with the current peloton.

These guys are either really dumb or don’t care at all.
 
It’s been a minute since my last post. The last couple of days have been crazy suspicious. It was easy to see the fraud with the pre-Armstrong->Froome era. In 2023, not so much.

Podiums and racers are mostly consistent, the whole season! Old former GC guys getting their stage wins. No Riis-like inexplicable appearance on grand tour podium. I only heard one “Where did he learn to climb?” Comment. Today in particular was bonkers in terms of week 3 pace and terrain.

The difference between now and then is the lid is shut tight on anti-doping. *Nothing* gets out. There’s a process. (WADA procedures) But, the federation totally controls it with nothing seeing the light of day. No way to know anything without transparency. And that’s not happening.

There’s too much money to be made inside the federation accepting bribes, and still no transparency there, either.

Also different now is doping technology has far surpassed prior tech. Peptides were coming much more well known when I lost interest.. And that was a while ago. So, plenty of time for doping innovation since then! I’m sure the federations, not just cycling, do what they can to pretend doping tech hasn’t moved on.

The sport is still hopelessly corrupt. So, it isn’t really a sport with any confidence a podium is just human performance. I still like to watch days like today through the Jura.
 
The people are way past caring about doping. The outrage was popular in the days of Lance, but now they just want to be entertained. They want their rider to win, doping or not. In the end they are racing so that the Netflix documentary looks good.
As someone that was on here entertained by the obvious corruption, and the stupid excuses, arguing most of USA cycling was a doping project was VERY unpopular.
The UCI had their own Usain Bolt. (In every sense.) ASO got more viewers. Verbruggen was very clearly accepting bribes. Bigger audiences means more money. Nobody wants the money train to stop.
Remember that ASO is first in line for deriving the benefits of doping. The athletes themselves, just a kind of actor on a different kind of stage.
 
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He never really had a choice either way. He was controlled by doping doctors on both sides of the borders.
https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling...e-story-in-upcoming-amazon-documentary-series
"Jan Ullrich, winner of the 1997 Tour de France and the 1999 Vuelta a Espana, double ITT world champion in 1999 and 2001, but also Olympic champion in 2000, will as planned be the subject of a documentary series on Amazon Prime Video, in which he promises to tell his whole story. Der Gejagte will be released on November 28.

Jan Ullrich wants to confide and claims to want to "tell (his) story, the whole story" without leaving anything out and especially not doping. "Twenty years later, you have to admit your faults. It would be wrong to say that I didn't deceive anyone. The fans, in particular."

"Other riders came to see me asking me for a miracle formula to win," but also Lance Armstrong, his former great rival to whom he is now very close. The American notably supported him in his most difficult post-career moments, when he sank into depression and came close to the worst. "I really escaped death. I took cocaine and drank whiskey like water.""

So after this year's Tour and the questions being openly asked, we're getting the Ullrich story in November. I expect that the UCI, ASO and a few others will not be too happy with the off-season topic.
 
https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling...e-story-in-upcoming-amazon-documentary-series
"Jan Ullrich, winner of the 1997 Tour de France and the 1999 Vuelta a Espana, double ITT world champion in 1999 and 2001, but also Olympic champion in 2000, will as planned be the subject of a documentary series on Amazon Prime Video, in which he promises to tell his whole story. Der Gejagte will be released on November 28.

Jan Ullrich wants to confide and claims to want to "tell (his) story, the whole story" without leaving anything out and especially not doping. "Twenty years later, you have to admit your faults. It would be wrong to say that I didn't deceive anyone. The fans, in particular."

"Other riders came to see me asking me for a miracle formula to win," but also Lance Armstrong, his former great rival to whom he is now very close. The American notably supported him in his most difficult post-career moments, when he sank into depression and came close to the worst. "I really escaped death. I took cocaine and drank whiskey like water.""

So after this year's Tour and the questions being openly asked, we're getting the Ullrich story in November. I expect that the UCI, ASO and a few others will not be too happy with the off-season topic.
I'll wait for it to release to see if it really lives up to the salacious outline and tell-all promise, those things rarely do.

Ullrich seems aloof enough to be the one to open up to this though.
 
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yeah i dont have my hopes up, i find it funny to be like "i need to get something heavy off my chest...so lets contact amazon"

its like those inventors who come up with some groundbreaking/physics breaking device only to then reveal they cant continue because they dont have money as if venture capitalism was the only way to go :D

im expecting the usual "it is what it is", "everyone did it"...and then some vague dodging about current peloton
 
Ladies and gentlemen, the mutants battle is basically over. It's been a top-fuel race of big wattages and the suspence was good until stage 16 when one of the mutants out-nuked the other in a ridiculous display of power. The race is almost over and the winner tomorrow is known (unless gendarmes handcuff the leader in the morning resulting in a dramatic end of this great battle).
 
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