Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

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Cote de La Redoute KOM. 14 sec faster than Remco last year.
Don't remember wind conditions last year, but strong headwind today.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Cycling has created a monster. I'm pretty sure we will look to Pogi as football fans look to Ronaldo/Messi. In the next 50 years, we won't see anything close to Pogi in cycling. It is just ridiculous how godly good he is. I have watched cycling for 25 years and I can say riders I truly loved like Gilbert, Bettini, Cav, Sagan, Armstrong, Cippo, Boonen, Contador, they all look kinda mediocre riders next to Pogacar.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Cote de La Redoute KOM. 14 sec faster than Remco last year.
Don't remember wind conditions last year, but strong headwind today.

He went 17 seconds faster than the second group of riders. Total domination!

 

[snipeheem]

Cycling has created a monster. I'm pretty sure we will look to Pogi as football fans look to Ronaldo/Messi. In the next 50 years, we won't see anything close to Pogi in cycling. It is just ridiculous how godly good he is. I have watched cycling for 25 years and I can say riders I truly loved like Gilbert, Bettini, Cav, Sagan, Armstrong, Cippo, Boonen, Contador, they all look kinda mediocre riders next to Pogacar.

Once in a lifetime talent

 

[RedheadDane]

Cycling has created a monster.

Naaaah... That was his parents.

(Please don't ban me.)

 

[Nick2413]

Cycling has created a monster. I'm pretty sure we will look to Pogi as football fans look to Ronaldo/Messi. In the next 50 years, we won't see anything close to Pogi in cycling. It is just ridiculous how godly good he is. I have watched cycling for 25 years and I can say riders I truly loved like Gilbert, Bettini, Cav, Sagan, Armstrong, Cippo, Boonen, Contador, they all look kinda mediocre riders next to Pogacar.

I think that logic indicates the opposite though. That those considered the best at the time start looking mediocre once the next generation comes along, especially when the sport is still growing. In pretty much every sport, today’s athletes are better than the best of the past for various reasons. It’s hard to see past Pogacar now but someone even freakier will come along.

 

[Red Rick]

Cote de La Redoute KOM. 14 sec faster than Remco last year.
Don't remember wind conditions last year, but strong headwind today.

Big difference is that Pogacar attacked from before the halfway point while Evenepoel attacked quite late on it. In fact, he did the same time on the final 2 minute section.

 

[kn0s]

Big difference is that Pogacar attacked from before the halfway point while Evenepoel attacked quite late on it.

Yeah, and no wheel spin, not boss enough.

 

[hayneplane]

Cycling is not a truly global sport now. The 8 strongest nations are all European. It's a niche sport in most parts of the world (by population).

And so what? It's still a great sport.

Of sports with a significant team element I would say it is behind only Football for global reach.

 

[Berniece]

Big difference is that Pogacar attacked from before the halfway point while Evenepoel attacked quite late on it. In fact, he did the same time on the final 2 minute section.

And a big difference in weather. Last year it was raining way more

 

[Valv.Piti]

Of sports with a significant team element I would say it is behind only Football for global reach.

Basketball >>>>> cycling. And probably others too. But that one being the most obvious.

 

[bNator]

Based on what we saw in the cobbled stage in TdF 2022, I’m convinced Pog can win PR without blowing up his GT campaign too much. And he can definitely win MSR. If he ever manages to win those two and is equal-ish to MvdP in total monuments win count, I’m sure he will go down as the best classics rider of his generation. But first, let’s fry them bigger fish…

 

[AmRacer]

Based on what we saw in the cobbled stage in TdF 2022, I’m convinced Pog can win PR without blowing up his GT campaign too much. And he can definitely win MSR. If he ever manages to win those two and is equal-ish to MvdP in total monuments win count, I’m sure he will go down as the best classics rider of his generation. But first, let’s fry them bigger fish…

Poggi want to win everything.
Next year, MSR, PR, Vuelta and one world tour week GC he hasn't yet won.

 

[Cookster15]

Cote de La Redoute KOM. 14 sec faster than Remco last year.
Don't remember wind conditions last year, but strong headwind today.

I changed from a "like" to a "wow" when I read your 2nd sentence. I guess its doubtful Remco could have held his wheel today.

 

[proffate]

Of sports with a significant team element I would say it is behind only Football for global reach.

I don't think cycling has a significant team element nor do I see how it's relevant to popularity nor does "global reach" have a meaningful definition.

Also, doubles tennis no doubt has more reach, whatever it is, than cycling. Even pickleball is probably ahead at this point.

 

[Fos]

Matxin commented in an interview with RTVE that Pogi only went to Sierra Nevada because Urska was there, and that a concentration at altitude was not planned.

Said by the commentator on the LBL broadcast.

 

[hayneplane]

I don't think cycling has a significant team element nor do I see how it's relevant to popularity nor does "global reach" have a meaningful definition.

Also, doubles tennis no doubt has more reach, whatever it is, than cycling. Even pickleball is probably ahead at this point.

Doubles tennis lol no elite male singles player ever competes in doubles outside of an occasional Davis Cup match. It is not contested by the best tennis players. It would be like comparing track endurance events to road racing in cycling.

 

[Cookster15]

I don't think cycling has a significant team element nor do I see how it's relevant to popularity nor does "global reach" have a meaningful definition.

I disagree. Depends upon which riders and circumstances but in some cases the contribution of the team to results is huge.

 

[Didinho]

Cote de La Redoute KOM. 14 sec faster than Remco last year.
Don't remember wind conditions last year, but strong headwind today.

From Strava he went 10” faster than Remco on Redoute. But with the downhill and next climb combined Pogi was only 6” faster in a 9’40” effort. So pretty equal performance from the attack and the Cornemont afterwards in their winning move.

Next in line Joseph Blackmore 40” down, in his LBL win 10 days earlier.

A level above the rest in these races.

 

[Savant12]

Nice, but predictable win at LBL. Bring on the Giro!

Wonder if we'll see less attacking from him at the Giro so he can recover better for the Tour. Or will he just blow the field apart as he (probably) doesn't need to worry about Vingo being there.

 

[Cookster15]

Nice, but predictable win at LBL. Bring on the Giro!

Wonder if we'll see less attacking from him at the Giro so he can recover better for the Tour. Or will he just blow the field apart as he (probably) doesn't need to worry about Vingo being there.

I hope he holds back. Even if Vingo can’t be at 90% for the TdF there is still Roglic who has unfinished business and would be eager for revenge.

 

[scribers]

Nice, but predictable win at LBL. Bring on the Giro!

Wonder if we'll see less attacking from him at the Giro so he can recover better for the Tour. Or will he just blow the field apart as he (probably) doesn't need to worry about Vingo being there.

Knowing pog he’ll be in pink right away, will stay in it, and will look for ways to affirm his authority on it

 

[Fos]

From Strava he went 10” faster than Remco on Redoute. But with the downhill and next climb combined Pogi was only 6” faster in a 9’40” effort. So pretty equal performance from the attack and the Cornemont afterwards in their winning move.

Next in line Joseph Blackmore 40” down, in his LBL win 10 days earlier.

A level above the rest in these races.

But headwind for longer time

 

[Roku]

Tadej Pogacar "Whole Calendar" Slam Watchlist (also considering podiums)

1. Grand Tours:
Tour de France X3 (2020, 2021, 2024), 2nd (2022, 2023)
Giro de Italia: X (2024)
Vuelta a España: 3rd (2019)

2. Monuments:
Milano San Remo: 3rd (2024)
Ronde Van Vlaanderen: X (2023)
Paris Roubaix: TBA
Liege Bastogne Liege: X2 (2021, 2024), 3rd (2020)
Giro di Lombardia: X3 (2021,2022,2023)

3. World Championships and Olympic Races:
Olympic Road Race: 3rd (Tokyo 2020 -held in 2021-)
Olympic Time Trial: TBA
World Championship Road Race: 3rd (2023)
World Championship Time Trial: -

4. One Week Races:
París Nice: X (2023)
Tirreno-Adriático: X2 (2021, 2022)
Volta a Catalunya: X (2024)
Itzulia: 3rd (2021)
Tour de Romandie: TBA
Criterium du Dauphine: -
Tour de Suisse: TBA

5. Other Significant Races:
Omloop Het Volk / Het Nieuwsblad: TBA
UAE Tour (sigh): X2 (2021, 2022)
Strade Bianche: X2 (2022, 2024)
E3 Harelbeke: 3rd (2023)
Gent Wevelgem: TBA
Brabantse Pijl: TBA
Amstel Gold Race: X (2023)
Fleche Wallone: X (2023)
San Sebastian: -
Giro dell Emilia: 2nd (2022, 2023)
París - Tours: TBA

6. Stage Wins:
Giro de Italia Stage Wins: 6
Tour de France Stage Wins: 14
Vuelta a España Stage Wins: 3
Total GT Stage Wins: 23
Total Pro Wins: 80

7. "Minor" Accolades:
GP Montréal (2022), x2 Tour of Slovenia (2021, 2022), Tre Valli Varesine (2022), Tour of California (2019), Volta ao Algarve (2019), x2 Slovenian ITT Championships (2019, 2023), Slovenian Road Race Championships (2023).

Notes:
(1) "Other Significant Races" is a non-comprehensive list of races outside the well established and common accepted three categories (GT, Monuments, Seven "Historically/Traditional" One Week Races)
(2) "Minor Accolades" include another non-comprehensive list of other races won that might be missed by some users.
The aim is not to argue about which are the most relevant races but to keep track of which I feel are the most prestigious events regardless of the current official category.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Could honestly get TotBC, TdR, TdS, and VaE all cleaned up next year if he wants to.