It's not a better peformance than Pogacar on PdBF, but it's more ridiculous. Because Dennis is not a super talented and rapidly improving 21 year old whose potential is still unknown. He's a 30 year old time triallist, who had been around for years, and has never done anything of note before in high mountains. Suddenly he joins Sky, and he's dropping nearly everyone on the Stelvio.I am anything but an Ineos fan... but please look at the riders he left behind (and then compare them to the ones he competed with during the TdS '19).
If this was a performance better than Pogacar on PdBF, then Hindley is the next Lance Armstrong.
So, no example then.Not equivalent to that. but this is a weak field in an unusual year. And GC riders rarely make their move before the final climb anyway.
But anytime Cancellara, Van Aert, Kwaitkowski etc starts dropping GC riders the Clinic shouts 'Doping, how is this possible?' If you can't understand how something has happened you have to consider that the fault may be with you understanding.
That's because long range efforts like this are incredibly rare. The parcours doesn't often present the opportunity. But I can point to plenty of examples of the Clinic crying doper when a TTer drops better GC riders.So, no example then.
Novak is also a bit of an elephant in the room for me on the mountain stages, the guy has suddenly become a great climbing domestique. Today his pace dropped Nibali, who tried to stay with him and Bilbao for a bit after they caught them.yeah, there were only 2 riders with Dennis at the top, 3 riders within 1 minute, 5 within 2 minutes, 6 within 3, 7th after Dennis was at 3 and 3 quarter minutes behind.
I mean sure, Stelvio is a brutal climb, but this was something else entirely
Edit: may have missed Novak, but that doesn't change anything
Please, do give me a 15km comparable example then. Hell, even a 10km one. Remember the conditions:That's because long range efforts like this are incredibly rare. The parcours doesn't often present the opportunity. But I can point to plenty of examples of the Clinic crying doper when a TTer drops better GC riders.
Agreed. This and Piancavallo were probably his best ever climbing performances. Out of almost nowhere.Novak is also a bit of an elephant in the room for me on the mountain stages, the guy has suddenly become a great climbing domestique. Today his pace dropped Nibali, who tried to stay with him and Bilbao for a bit after they caught them.
Please, do give me a 15km comparable example then. Hell, even a 10km one. Remember the conditions:
You can point about those examples, sure, but not with me and you keep on pushing that idea when I did nothing like that. Sounds to me like a dodge, but please prove me wrong.
- similar grade
- drops everyone but his team leader and one (I'll even give you two) adversary
- first time that rider pulled something like this
- it's not known as a world class climber
- a world class time trialist
So, again, nothing comes to mind and yet you're insinuating people are freaking out about something that, by your own admission, never happens. Alright, fair enough.Can you give me any example of any domestique doing a 10km turn on the front dropping people.?No. Because the opportunity doesn't present itself. GC riders without two or three domestiques with 5km to go is rare enough. Having them down to their last one with 50km to go is almost unheard of.
So, again, nothing comes to mind and yet you're insinuating people are freaking out about something that, by your own admission, never happens. Alright, fair enough.
Van Aert wasn't even close to what Dennis did today. He was there with 15 guy left at best. And being compared to Van Aert isn't a cleanzzz thing in the first placeA domestique like Dennis or Wout 'should' be able to ride a slightly higher level for a shorter period of time than the leader, by the very fact they A) have to be on the front facing the wind in early parts of the race, while their leader saved energy and B) their finish line is long before their leaders so the comparative efforts are not overlayed but offset i nthe race. Dennis isn't as good as Kuss or Wout and the level at Giro is far from Tour de France, by the fact nobody of recent GT winning ability is in the race anyway.
Bahrain found the stuff.Novak is also a bit of an elephant in the room for me on the mountain stages, the guy has suddenly become a great climbing domestique. Today his pace dropped Nibali, who tried to stay with him and Bilbao for a bit after they caught them.
Van Aert was there with 7-8 riders or so at Glieres. And he had much less climbing pedigree than Dennis. And it was a ridiculous performance as well.Van Aert wasn't even close to what Dennis did today. He was there with 15 guy left at best. And being compared to Van Aert isn't a cleanzzz thing in the first place
Kuss is about as pure a climber as can be and that's all he's good for.
Like?However, if you want examples of Rohan Dennis putting out 5.7w/kg for an hour (according to estimates), I would point to you his entire career.
Rod Ellingworth, the man who transforms donkeys.Bahrain found the stuff.
Nibali and Dumoulin holding hands crying they shouldn't have left their old teams?
Either he's not gonna give any examples or give ITT examples that are on no altitude.Like?
Why don't time trials count? He can obviously put out big watts for long periods Does power transform into a different entity at altitude?Either he's not gonna give any examples or give ITT examples that are on no altitude.
Not sure you understand how this whole power-weight thing works.Why don't time trials count? He can obviously put out big watts for long periods Does power transform into a different entity at altitude?
I suppose you are confused by lead out men in sprints too aren't you. How can they go faster than the sprinters from 700-300m?
Yeah, watts are watts, which is why nobody would freak the hell out if Nairo Quintana won a pan flat 30K time trial.