Teams & Riders Team Visma - Lease a Bike

[Oldermanish]

why did jumbo ride so slow on the hills and let the gap go out even so much to the breakaway clearly slowing down... only to be working at the flat with jorgenson even to pull it back? really wierd.

They were protecting both Jonas and Wout on the hill and slowed accordingly. When they got close at the finish it was an opportunity the Matteo could help with Wout and they, maybe; felt an obligation to represent the team #1. It would've made sense if he won and is in yellow but getting first of the field is encouraging.
That said, the field was totally gassed and there wasn't much resistance in the end.

 

[Oldermanish]

Agree, Jonas cannot work for Wout. I do think Wout will now try getting the green.

Jonas is a work in progress and shouldn't be doing anything but staying safe. That could get complicated quickly if other teams want to test JV. Fortunately it's now DSM's job to ride for the jersey.

 

[Oldermanish]

but at that point they went up to slow it down surely must have thought van ert could win the stage,...then get gap just increase when their at the front okei then the 100% only focus on GC okei fine...but then commit at the flat with everyone, it made zero sense.

Maby jumbo domestiques was at their limits at that speed in the mountain..

Pretty much everyone was at their limit from that point to the finish and rolled in. That JV and Lidl couldn't bring back two guys that had been solo for 50km says it all. It was a hot, brutal start and tomorrow will be similar.

 

[dennisdy]

Lots of "Jumbo" and "JV" on this thread. A friendly reminder that it's Visma, Visma Lease a Bike, or VLAB.

 

[OJRvE]

I dont think the Peloton went slow over the hills. Ofc they lost time to Bardet but he is LBL runner-up so thats nothing strange. For sure it could have gone faster but then it’s likely the peloton would have exploded and the race played out differently.

 

[Hugh Januss]

disagree the peleton was 35+ man and when jumbo went at the head of the peleton people came back to the peleton so nothing to do with that at all for me not saying it wasnt hard and hot etc. Maby jumbo's domestiques was at their limit since they all was dropped at Barbotto all besides Vinge, jorgenson and Wva that may be the case.

Visma had Benoot, Tratnick, and Kelderman all at the front on Cote de San Leo so who got dropped?

 

[Rob5091]

No control room for Visma ! So much for "limitless thinking" ...
https://velo.outsideonline.com/road...-a-bike-data-van-blocked-from-tour-de-france/

“The Team Visma-Lease a Bike ‘control room’ vehicle shall not be authorized within any of the premises of the event and shall therefore not bear a vehicle accreditation,” read a note issued by ASO ahead of stage 1.

 

[CyclistAbi]

I don't know about that, UCI should IMHO rather confiscate it and turn it into a safety car. Something much needed in the pro peloton.

 

[scribers]

Where was the mystery machine when Vingo was chasing down pogi going for water bottles???

 

[pastronef]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1810035576411664611

View: https://x.com/vismaleaseabike/status/1810035576411664611

 

[Medvind]

Well, many of us were afraid the tour team would be a bit weaker than last year's and that it could pose a problem for Vinge's chance of winning the tour. They didn't prove us wrong today, UAE clearly stronger.

 

[Oldermanish]

This Tour was a lesson in asset mismanagement by the DS and staff. There was a time early on they could have protected Matteo as well as Jonas. They chose not to do that until today's Stage 19. When everyone is "well" again they might reflect on which rider provided the most results this year. IMO he's not going to get worse and he lacks almost any weaknesses for a young guy.

 

[Monte Serra]

This Tour was a lesson in asset mismanagement by the DS and staff. There was a time early on they could have protected Matteo as well as Jonas. They chose not to do that until today's Stage 19. When everyone is "well" again they might reflect on which rider provided the most results this year. IMO he's not going to get worse and he lacks almost any weaknesses for a young guy.

Jorgenson crashed pretty badly on stage 2, and that affected his performance in subsequent stages negatively. So that he lost 2 minutes on Vingegaard on the Galibier was not caused by some "asset mismanagement", but by physical discomfort. If he would have been able to stick with Jonas, I'm pretty sure he would have been played out as a secondary GC rider.

 

[Oldermanish]

Jorgenson crashed pretty badly on stage 2, and that affected his performance in subsequent stages negatively. So that he lost 2 minutes on Vingegaard on the Galibier was not caused by some "asset mismanagement", but by physical discomfort. If he would have been able to stick with Jonas, I'm pretty sure he would have been played out as a secondary GC rider.

His local people said he was not badly impacted that long. He was overused to control tempo by Visma in a situation where UAE was holding all the pacing cards with their guys. Visma should have backed off or used some other guys to make that happen. They didn't have other guys? That's the answer. Don't put your strongest guy to pace the race's strongest guy.

 

[Offline]

Imagine Visma in 2024 without Jorgensen.

 

[Offline]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1814564467729994135

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As always so lame and unlikeable. And this even come after bad loser comments on Pogacar.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Visma-Lease a Bike revoke team radio access for TV broadcast - Escape Collective

A number of teams are evaluating their involvement in the deal made with ASO, which introduced the broadcast of team radio clips at the 2022 Tour de France Femmes.

escapecollective.com

 

[The fridge in the blue trees]

Roglic made the team, no more Roglic, no more domination! We got it all wrong, it's not Roglic that suffers from Bora-itis, it's Visma that misses the guy that made them from a laughing stock to the dominating team in the world.

 

[The fridge in the blue trees]

As for the team car stuff. Amazingly pointless and boring stuff that those DSs tell their riders more often than not. IMO 0 value, I hope everybody opts out.

 

[FroomeWagon]

Roglic made the team, no more Roglic, no more domination! We got it all wrong, it's not Roglic that suffers from Bora-itis, it's Visma that misses the guy that made them from a laughing stock to the dominating team in the world.

Roglic made the team, no more Roglic, no more domination! We got it all wrong, it's not Roglic that suffers from Bora-itis, it's Visma that misses the guy that made them from a laughing stock to the dominating team in the world.

Here to point out that neither Primoz or Vingo has won a GT without Kuss. The streak, so far, has continued this year.

 

[memyselfandI]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1814564467729994135

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As always so lame and unlikeable. And this even come after bad loser comments on Pogacar.

Well it's very obvious that there were many cases in this Tour, when ASO published clearly tactical info in these Race Radio broadcasts..I was really wondering how the hell they (teams in general) allowed them to do that.

 

[OJRvE]

Well it's very obvious that there were many cases in this Tour, when ASO published clearly tactical info in these Race Radio broadcasts..I was really wondering how the hell they (teams in general) allowed them to do that.

But wasnt everything aired a few hours late?

 

[jono]

Well it's very obvious that there were many cases in this Tour, when ASO published clearly tactical info in these Race Radio broadcasts..I was really wondering how the hell they (teams in general) allowed them to do that.

I feel like I watched most of the stages, but I don't recall any tactical information shared that wasn't blindingly obvious, or broadcast far too late to be of any value to any competitors.

 

[Oldermanish]

I feel like I watched most of the stages, but I don't recall any tactical information shared that wasn't blindingly obvious, or broadcast far too late to be of any value to any competitors.

That's because you've seen enough cycling to know what's going on and so do the riders. If there was any serious tactical info they could talk to a select rider or use "going to plan B" like some teams in F1. It's kind of annoying actually.

 

[jono]

That's because you've seen enough cycling to know what's going on and so do the riders. If there was any serious tactical info they could talk to a select rider or use "going to plan B" like some teams in F1. It's kind of annoying actually.

Sorry, my point was that I don't understand what Visma or any of the teams could possibly have objected to being shared.