The 2012 CQ Ranking Manager Game

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Pretty happy with the results from E3 today. Coppi e Bartali has been a total fail for me.

I see Kiserlovski going for another top 10 in Catalunya, so I'm pleased with that. Also Jurgen Van Den Broeck looks good for a podium spot.
 
Eric8-A said:
I see Kiserlovski going for another top 10 in Catalunya, so I'm pleased with that. Also Jurgen Van Den Broeck looks good for a podium spot.

I don't know if Kiserlovski will finish inside the top 10. With all those stage placing things it's really confusing. He might as well finish 15th or something like that.
 
greenedge said:
Out of the top 27 all but 1 people on it have Boonen- Squire. I nominate we let him have a virtual jersey for being so high up ( 17 ) without him. Congrats.

Well, he made one of the awesomest (by that I mean riskiest and gutsiest) picks of the game with Valverde, so he's going on a different points-getting rhythm than everyone else. As the abandon in Catalunya shows, it's hard to put your eggs in one big CQ basket, but barring more major injury he should be a solid base for that team all year.
 
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skidmark said:
Well, he made one of the awesomest (by that I mean riskiest and gutsiest) picks of the game with Valverde, so he's going on a different points-getting rhythm than everyone else. As the abandon in Catalunya shows, it's hard to put your eggs in one big CQ basket, but barring more major injury he should be a solid base for that team all year.

Will he?
Think about it, Valverde will at the best equal his cost that means that going on that he would end up on 7500 if all his riders met their costs not great if you wanna challenge.
His other riders will have to double their scores with barely any exception for him to challenge....
 
Not necessarily he won't. Think about it, he has already scored 633 points compared to this time in 2009 ( 72 points ). In 2008 he had got ( 192 points ) at this stage. That is a massive difference. If he can place well at the TDF, feature in all the Ardennes/ win CSS, go well in another one week stage race, maybe podium in the Vuelta and also as logic dictates finish quite high in the WC i can envisage him getting at least 500-1000 or so more profit
 
Froome19 said:
Will he?
Think about it, Valverde will at the best equal his cost that means that going on that he would end up on 7500 if all his riders met their costs not great if you wanna challenge.
His other riders will have to double their scores with barely any exception for him to challenge....

Maybe you should think about...

If Valverde scores 2500 points - to reach a top 5 score from last year of 12500, the rest of his team have to score an average of 312.50 assuming he has 33 in total. With the number of cheap riders available who will double or triple, or expontentially increase their scores this would be entirely possible. Has he picked those riders? Well time will tell, but the selection of Valverde in itself is a viable, effective but of course extremely risky strategy.

Last year I spent a similar amount on 2 riders (EBH and Cav), those two riders provided a minimal return (400 points profit combined), but I was incredibly pleased to finish on the podium.

Everyone else's team will have to have riders score an average of 378.79.

Did you find you had to leave out bargains for more risky, expensive picks (wish you had Quintana as well as Slagter) or are wary about the profit if any from Gesink, Haussler, Kruijswijk, Vanendert, Kessiakoff, Betancur and Offredo (cost 3210 points). If I offered you break even with them now would you take it?
 
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mc_mountain said:
Maybe you should think about...

If Valverde scores 2500 points - to reach a top 5 score from last year of 12500, the rest of his team have to score an average of 312.50 assuming he has 33 in total. With the number of cheap riders available who will double or triple, or expontentially increase their scores this would be entirely possible. Has he picked those riders? Well time will tell, but the selection of Valverde in itself is a viable, effective but of course extremely risky strategy.

Last year I spent a similar amount on 2 riders (EBH and Cav), those two riders provided a minimal return (400 points profit combined), but I was incredibly pleased to finish on the podium.

Everyone else's team will have to have riders score an average of 378.79.

Did you find you had to leave out bargains for more risky, expensive picks (wish you had Quintana as well as Slagter) or are wary about the profit if any from Gesink, Haussler, Kruijswijk, Vanendert, Kessiakoff, Betancur and Offredo (cost 3210 points). If I offered you break even with them now would you take it?
Only with Betancur because he is not going to the giro and Offredo (for obvious reasons) if not for those freak happenstances then I am totally confident in all my riders besides Novikov.
Its not like much has changed yet and I considered every rider's ,in my team, season before i picked him.
Gesink will hopefully do well at the ardennes but unless crashes bar his way he will be guaranteed quite a few points from the Tour and the Vuelta which he is doing competitively and suits him. Plus he should really have a truly stellar end of the year as he usually does, with the added fact that he has started late and lesser due to his injury. So hopefully he will put in a good showing in Lombardia plus his usual in Canadian....
From what I've seen that should be enough to get him at least a 400 points profit and that is not with him podiuming GTs and winning monuments etc.

Gesink is my most expensive pick and I believe personally that it is worth it to go for the expensive riders who at least have the capability to make profit.
With Valverde in an ideal world for Squire he will equal his cost but what happens if he doesnt?
Whilst Gesink has the ability to make big profit and at least equal (bad example as he is prone to crashes) Valverde only in an ideal world will equal.

Of course it may work but you have to remember that for a rider like Valverde even if he has a successful season he still may not equal his cost, whilst boassen hagen etc will.

Also I believe that Valverde was in fact more of a safe pick as he was obviously (at least to me) going to come back and do well, which guaranteed points so as I have explained previously instead of challenging for a podium he will be challenging for middle table yet guaranteed as Valverde will deliver him the points.
Of course there is the risk of him injuring himself etc but that is something which i think is irrelevant as for people to factor that in it does dampen the game and i believe people ignore it. (asides from crash prone riders like Gesink;))

According to your logic you should go into the game trying to gain profit of doubling all your cheaper picks so you may as well just add in all those cheaper picks rather than splashing out on valverde as those cheaper picks will need to support vavlerde if you want to have a chance.
So why not just take all cheaper picks?

Also your facts about everbody else's team having to score 378 is subverted because they will have much higher quality riders on their team as they have more money to splash out so it will be much easier for them to score those points.

I think to keep the right balance you should go for some expensive picks as it is ideal to fulfill your maximum 7500 which you cant do with only cheaper picks, but OTT picks like Valverde does not imo give you a fair chance, as it puts much more dependancy on your weaker riders to score.
 
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Gent-Wevelgem

Tom Boonen
Andre Greipel
Manuel Belletti
Daniel Oss
Matti Breschel
Martijn Maaskant
Karsten Kroon
Gustav Larsson
Filippo Pozzato
 
Froome19 said:
Only with Betancur because he is not going to the giro and Offredo (for obvious reasons) if not for those freak happenstances then I am totally confident in all my riders besides Novikov.
Its not like much has changed yet and I considered every rider's ,in my team, season before i picked him.
Gesink will hopefully do well at the ardennes but unless crashes bar his way he will be guaranteed quite a few points from the Tour and the Vuelta which he is doing competitively and suits him. Plus he should really have a truly stellar end of the year as he usually does, with the added fact that he has started late and lesser due to his injury. So hopefully he will put in a good showing in Lombardia plus his usual in Canadian....
From what I've seen that should be enough to get him at least a 400 points profit and that is not with him podiuming GTs and winning monuments etc.

1. Gesink is my most expensive pick and I believe personally that it is worth it to go for the expensive riders who at least have the capability to make profit.
With Valverde in an ideal world for Squire he will equal his cost but what happens if he doesnt?

Whilst Gesink has the ability to make big profit and at least equal (bad example as he is prone to crashes) Valverde only in an ideal world will equal.

2. Of course it may work but you have to remember that for a rider like Valverde even if he has a successful season he still may not equal his cost, whilst boassen hagen etc will.

Also I believe that Valverde was in fact more of a safe pick as he was obviously (at least to me) going to come back and do well, which guaranteed points so as I have explained previously instead of challenging for a podium he will be challenging for middle table yet guaranteed as Valverde will deliver him the points.
Of course there is the risk of him injuring himself etc but that is something which i think is irrelevant as for people to factor that in it does dampen the game and i believe people ignore it. (asides from crash prone riders like Gesink;))

According to your logic you should go into the game trying to gain profit of doubling all your cheaper picks so you may as well just add in all those cheaper picks rather than splashing out on valverde as those cheaper picks will need to support vavlerde if you want to have a chance.
3. So why not just take all cheaper picks?

4. Also your facts about everbody else's team having to score 378 is subverted because they will have much higher quality riders on their team as they have more money to splash out so it will be much easier for them to score those points.

I think to keep the right balance you should go for some expensive picks as it is ideal to fulfill your maximum 7500 which you cant do with only cheaper picks, but OTT picks like Valverde does not imo give you a fair chance, as it puts much more dependancy on your weaker riders to score.

Sorry if it wasnt clear but my break even offer was a collective one (ie the other riders' profits would cover the losses of the others), so you would have a 'solid base' similar to the one Squire can hope for as referred to by Skidmark.

1. If Gesink has bad luck and ends up with 350 points this year wont that be the same as if Valerde scores 2000?* our winner last year spent approx 2000 points on 8 riders whose return for the year was approx 920. Not having every rider make a profit doesnt disqualify a team or anything.

2. I think you are under playing the potential of Valverde making a modest profit. Look at Gilbert's 2011 to consider what might, if everything goes perfectly, be possible.

3. Because you would only have spent 5000 points of the budget. Doubling points would result in 10000, rather than 12500 (if Valverde breaks even). It is easier to find cheaper riders with the potential to double (or more) their score. You come close to accepting this premise in your last paragraph. Hoping for cheaper riders to only double their score underplays their potential - will you be happy with Slagter if doesnt score another point and only doubles his score or Breschel only musters another 150, when they have the potential to score maybe 200-350 and 600-1000 respectively.

4. Yes the quality of the riders will be better, my point is that the point scoring burden on them is greater and risk is spread wider.

My argument isnt that having Valverde is infinitely better than not having him and we are all stupid for not including him, just that there is merit in having him on your team and that having him on the team doesnt equal inability to contend for top 10 in the game as you seem to be suggesting (there maybe other factors that prevent Squire from doing so). To me Valverde's value is that he eats up budget to leave room for cheaper picks. If there was no cap on the number of riders, it would be different.

* Actually its not the same as Valverde will have scored 1650 more points than Gesink.
 
I'm so excited I'm having such an awesome week CQ wise another bucket load of points coming from GW. :):)

I'm almost doubling my total. :p

Also Breschel into profit YAY!

Need to see if some of my riders score more points in the races that aren't entirely updated on cqranking.com yet but with what I know from GW and Catalunya (Kiserlovski and Boonen&Breschel) I have like 850 points for this week. :)

For others that may seem not so special but for me that's HUGE.

I hope I'm able to climb a few places on the ranking and find myself no longer in the bottom 10.
 
I have Boonen, Breschel and Kiserlovski alright, and also Van den Broeck, Pippo and Gavazzi (hey, every point counts). Together with the results from Harelbeke, it should be enough to make up for the Critérium and the Settimana.
 
greenedge said:
Out of the top 27 all but 1 people on it have Boonen- Squire. I nominate we let him have a virtual jersey for being so high up ( 17 ) without him. Congrats.

actually Skibby in 3rd (at the last update) also doesnt have Boonen, but will be an interesting race to follow...
 
Can't wait for the next update. With Anton, Rogers (Crit. Int); Boonen, Breschel, Ballan, Chainel, Pozzato, Iglinskiy (Classics); and Uran, Van Den Broeck (Catalunya) and some others I should win some places.
 
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will10 said:
There's going to be some huge scores this week.

If I've calculated correctly, I've scored at least 1098 (with a few minor places to come from GW and Catalunya) since last week. And I suspect there'll be a fair few who've outscored me.
 
will10 said:
If I've calculated correctly, I've scored at least 1098 (with a few minor places to come from GW and Catalunya) since last week. And I suspect there'll be a fair few who've outscored me.
I'll be one of them, if I've also calculated correctly. I think I will be close to 1500 points this week. ;)