Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread

[Lequack]

How many GTs and classics does he have to win unti he stops being the underdog?

 

[Red Rick]

He wins the Vuelta because there was no strong competition.

He wins the WC because the strong competition was stupid.

He wins LBL, san sebastian, vuelta and WC. But for some reason it is not because Remco is strong, but because the competition is weak. When Pogi won LBL everybody praised him. When Remco does it a year later it is because Pogi wasn't there. Newsflash. When Pogi won, evenepoel wasnt there either.

Find me one quote saying he wasn't strong during these races.

But now I do fully realise why Evenepoel is so controversial. I think many simply dislike him because there are many in his fanbase who rather get salty about imaginary slights rather celebrate a world title.

 

[Eeslliw]

He wins the Vuelta because there was no strong competition.

He wins the WC because the strong competition was stupid.

He wins LBL, san sebastian, vuelta and WC. But for some reason it is not because Remco is strong, but because the competition is weak. When Pogi won LBL everybody praised him. When Remco does it a year later it is because Pogi wasn't there. Newsflash. When Pogi won, evenepoel wasnt there either.

He is a monster.

30.7. San Sebastian - 25.9. WC RR

So he was holding this insane shape for full two months with riding a GT in between. Doubters will stay but remain silent when mighty Remco pace drops Pogacar and Jonas in TDF (probably in 2024).

Who can challenge Remco in the Giro next year with 3 ITT stages? 34y old Roglic who will loose 2 minutes just in ITTs? Lol, he would have better chance of winning TdF. Two GTs in the bag. I can smell it already.

 

[jsem94]

He has thoroughly arrived. I hope he can stay injury free for the foreseeable future. I wonder what his schedule will be next year...

 

[OlavEH]

who are these people who make those claims. There are maybe one or two here. And I agree, they are wrong.

but stating that Pog was not in good shape because of the Tdf is absolutely ridiculous. He was rested. Had trained specifically for the worlds. Did his best worlds TT. And had just won Montreal. The only reason to say that is to diminish Remco’s exploit yesterday.

and it’s more that no one ever says that type of stuff about other riders’ wins. Not a single Remco fan belittles Pog’s wins even at the freakin UAE tour where he may factually be the only rider peaking for that event. No one says “oh he only beat Adam Yates”, and “Yates was not in top shape” and “Yates wasn’t really trying” and “Vingo nor Rog were there”. This literally happens with every single one of Remco’s wins. And this time it’s also because not having radios apparently hurt everyone else but somehow helped Remco. Meanwhile he has done exactly this type of ride over and over no matter the situation or the opponents. It used to be that he could only do it if it wasn’t World Tour. And yet here we are, LBL, San Sebastián and the Worlds later, and STILL the diminishing of each win.

it’s just funny. Because the people doing it don’t even seem to realize that they are now doing a parody of themselves each time they come up with the same or new reasons.

Yeah, and so what? Is it obligatory to ask absolutely no questions regarding his quality? Most people in the forum probably mean that is the cyclist of the year. And I would think that almost everyone thinks that he is one of the top 3-4 riders even in seasons where everyone was in peak shape for the most important events they targeted. But that is not good enough. We must also think that is just about the greatest in cycling since at least Hinaut, that he is already able to ride a Pogacar in peak shape of his wheel in mountains or the toughest hilly classics. I really don't read or participate that much in the rider threads here, but the Remco fanboy worship seem to be at another level. And maybe that is also why someone dare to ask questions.

 

[Valv.Piti]

If he doesn't do Ardennes + Tour + Worlds next year I will be extremely disappointing, although the Giro will be a much more interesting race if he participates, but I have kinda given up hope with this Vegni-guy.

 

[ooo]

Did he win any race against mvdp?

 

[peterfin]

I'm just amazed that Remco was able to hold such a high level for 6+ weeks...or longer. It wasn't like he was using the Vuelta as "training" for the Worlds...he was actually having to go hard for 3 weeks.

I believe he basically got in top shape by LBL (as planned) and basically never dropped his level for 4 months. He actually got an astonishing success rate during that time. He won 4 out of 5 one day races he entered only losing the flat NC because of a bunch sprint. He won the 4 races with almost a minute or more. He also won the national ITT with ease and lost the WCC ITT by only 9 seconds (where he presumably lacked some preparation and mental freshness as he lost time in downhill corners). Of the 3 stage races he entered, he won 2 in a dominant fashion. He had issues in Switzerland but he suffered a heat stroke and he still managed to win the ITT after recovering.

 

[Tonton]

I agree with some here that this level of fanboy-ism is annoying, including the "no one gives him any respect" victim rant...when we should all celebrate Remco's victory and enjoy the moment to its fullest. I don't get that.

 

[staubsauger]

With the shape of spring, you win every race in fall. (Jean-Claude Leclercq)

Basically that.

Oh and he certainly had his Di Luca 2005 season moment.

Actually even more. He won Liege, the Vuelta a Espana and has become world champion after all.

I have to admit that!

 

[hfer07]

Congrats to Remco & welcome to the World Champions Club. This year is indeed Remco's breakthrough in the Pro-Cycling hierarchy, finding his own place. Take a well deserved vacation break & plan ahead for next year, because is going to be an exciting one

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

With the shape of spring, you win every race in fall. (Jean-Claude Leclercq)

Basically that.

Oh and he certainly had his Di Luca 2005 season moment.

Actually even more. He won Liege, the Vuelta a Espana and has become world champion after all.

I have to admit that!

Not too shabby for a classics rider.

Did he win any race against mvdp?

Remco Evenepoel versus Mathieu van der Poel | Same race results

Comparison of results between Remco Evenepoel and Mathieu van der Poel in races where they both started.

www.procyclingstats.com

 

[Big Doopie]

Yeah, and so what? Is it obligatory to ask absolutely no questions regarding his quality? Most people in the forum probably mean that is the cyclist of the year. And I would think that almost everyone thinks that he is one of the top 3-4 riders even in seasons where everyone was in peak shape for the most important events they targeted. But that is not good enough. We must also think that is just about the greatest in cycling since at least Hinaut, that he is already able to ride a Pogacar in peak shape of his wheel in mountains or the toughest hilly classics. I really don't read or participate that much in the rider threads here, but the Remco fanboy worship seem to be at another level. And maybe that is also why someone dare to ask questions.

so if for you, it’s not about the rider, but about your hate of the “fanboy worship”, why do waste your time reading their posts in the thread devoted to the rider.

I personally find nothing appealing about a few riders. I simply don’t post or read those threads.

you appear to come here just to rankle and be rankled by other posters. Not a very happy pastime.

 

[Extinction]

Yeah, and so what? Is it obligatory to ask absolutely no questions regarding his quality? Most people in the forum probably mean that is the cyclist of the year. And I would think that almost everyone thinks that he is one of the top 3-4 riders even in seasons where everyone was in peak shape for the most important events they targeted. But that is not good enough. We must also think that is just about the greatest in cycling since at least Hinaut, that he is already able to ride a Pogacar in peak shape of his wheel in mountains or the toughest hilly classics. I really don't read or participate that much in the rider threads here, but the Remco fanboy worship seem to be at another level. And maybe that is also why someone dare to ask questions.

Well, over the next seasons, we shall certainly find out if Remco beats peak Pog in those races. In the meantime, consider what Guilmard said of Evenepoel's talent before his Lombardia crash: he's better than Hinault.

 

[Black Betsy]

With not so many motivated around , the gap is narrowing pretty fast: Valverde 6 - Remco 3

 

[The Hegelian]

Haven't seen much on this thread about aesthetics: but he looks great on a bike don't you think? Power + souplesse at 100% full gas.

 

[OlavEH]

so if for you, it’s not about the rider, but about your hate of the “fanboy worship”, why do waste your time reading their posts in the thread devoted to the rider.

I personally find nothing appealing about a few riders. I simply don’t post or read those threads.

you appear to come here just to rankle and be rankled by other posters. Not a very happy pastime.

Why do you call every post that isn't unanimously positive for "hate", or all that question Remco for "haters"? There are some riders I don't like. Valverde and Matthews are a couple of them. Regarding Remco I'm pretty neutral. I certainly don't hate him or dislike him in any way. There are pretty many levels between hate and the fanboy level of some of the exhibit. We're in a debate forum. Not just a thread for solely praising the riders.

 

[DNP-Old]

Patrick Lefevere: "Ik wist al van eergisteren dat Remco Evenepoel wereldkampioen zou worden"

Remco Evenepoel (22) is de volgende wereldkampioen in het rijtje van Patrick Lefevere. De ploegbaas van Quick Step-Alpha Vinyl is uiteraard in de wolken met een nieuwe regenboogtrui in zijn team."Iedereen weet dat ik verliefd ben op die trui." Moet Evenepoel in 2023 nu naar de Tour? "Hij kan het...

sporza.be

Reading between the lines, Lefevere still seems very keen to send him to Il Giro, rather than the Tour.

 

[tobydawq]

He wins the Vuelta because there was no strong competition.

He wins the WC because the strong competition was stupid.

He wins LBL, san sebastian, vuelta and WC. But for some reason it is not because Remco is strong, but because the competition is weak. When Pogi won LBL everybody praised him. When Remco does it a year later it is because Pogi wasn't there. Newsflash. When Pogi won, evenepoel wasnt there either.

Of course he is strong. I would just like to see him ride against the best for once (not a critique of him, obviously).

Plus, I really am not a sucker for long solos.

 

[tobydawq]

Patrick Lefevere: "Ik wist al van eergisteren dat Remco Evenepoel wereldkampioen zou worden"

Remco Evenepoel (22) is de volgende wereldkampioen in het rijtje van Patrick Lefevere. De ploegbaas van Quick Step-Alpha Vinyl is uiteraard in de wolken met een nieuwe regenboogtrui in zijn team."Iedereen weet dat ik verliefd ben op die trui." Moet Evenepoel in 2023 nu naar de Tour? "Hij kan het...

sporza.be

Reading between the lines, Lefevere still seems very keen to send him to Il Giro, rather than the Tour.

That would be absurd.

But it isn't quite how I interpret what he says (at least if I understand the verb afgaan correctly).

 

[DNP-Old]

That would be absurd.

But it isn't quite how I interpret what he says (at least if I understand the verb afgaan correctly).

Afgaan in this case means to humiliate himself in the race. Would it be absurd? Lefevere has been here before with Boonen, and safe to say that situation and their management thereof was a mess.

 

[Volderke]

Did he win any race against mvdp?

He destroys his competition even before the actual race: mvdp only got this much stressed because he knew remco was competing, so he knew he couldnt suffer even one minute of sleep deficit.

 

[jflemaire]

Of course he is strong. I would just like to see him ride against the best for once (not a critique of him, obviously).

He just did, and he crushed them.

 

[tobydawq]

He just did, and he crushed them.

Tactically, yes.

 

[OlavEH]

Reading between the lines, Lefevere still seems very keen to send him to Il Giro, rather than the Tour.

Actually think that would be fine. Although I want to see him up againt Pog and Vingegaard, I'm really a bigger fan of the Giro than the Tour, and at the moment with the lame race design, I think the Giro needs something extra to stay relevant and interesting. Remco and secondary a peak Roglig could be just that.