Vuelta a España Vuelta a España 2022, stage 16: Sanlúcar de Barrameda - Tomares, 189.4k

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WOW, how far back was Remco? About 40 seconds had passed from Roglic attacking to seeing Remco next pull up.

going by that, I'd think it's really debatable if he should have gotten +8s indeed. That's not the group he was in anymore when he stopped

 

[peterfin]

WOW, how far back was Remco? About 40 seconds had passed from Roglic attacking to seeing Remco next pull up.

He said he was in 20-30 position when the puncture happened and his wheel slipped.

 

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He said he was in 20-30 position when the puncture happened and his wheel slipped.

that must have been clearly outside 3k to go then. Until he made it past the 3k banner and stopped, he was much further behind

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Most of the absurdity is fans claiming what haters will say

Yep, and as today showed, it's even way worse than the claims.

 

[Cagalitroso]

He said he was in 20-30 position when the puncture happened and his wheel slipped.

it could be ; but then it is hard to believe he was inside the last 3km;impossible to assess tbf

 

[Hugo Koblet]

Would you rather have races be decided by luck?

What do you mean? Now there's just a massive fight for positions up until the 3 km mark instead of the finish line. Are there really that many more crashes from km 3 till 0 than from km 6 till 3?

And the mechanical part of it? If you have a mechanical with 7 km to go on a flat stage, you're not coming back either so why the arbitrary 3 km mark? I mean, I get the crash part of the rule; it's to ease up on the fight positioning. That kind of makes sense. But what has mechanical issues to do with anything? You're not fighting the sprinter teams' trains for positioning because you don't want to be caught behind if you have a flat tyre. You're doing it because you don't want to be caught behind in case of a crash.

Personally, I don't like all these random rules in the sport. I like it as simple, clean and authentic as possible.

 

[wheresmybrakes]

The plot thickens

 

[kingjr]

it could be ; but then it is hard to believe he was inside the last 3km;impossible to assess tbf

At 3.5 km before the finish I believe you can still see him go around the corner 70th place or so, I think by that time the tyre was already deflating.

 

[Escarabajo]

I'm far away from being a Remco fan, but even I'm laughing my ass off at some of the negative comments on him. Can we now put a bigger asterisk on this Vuelta win than TGH's Giro win?

I agree. This is becoming very silly! we are still arguing where his position. If they want to beat Remco they have 3 stages to go. It is up to them.

 

[303pbmf]

I agree. This is becoming very silly! we are still arguing where his position. If they want to beat Remco they have 3 stages to go. It is up to them.

Looks like even stage 21 is dangerous at this point

 

[Cagalitroso]

I agree. This is becoming very silly! we are still arguing where his position. If they want to beat Remco they have 3 stages to go. It is up to them.

by 'them' you mean only Mas; buena suerteeeeeee

 

[Nyanderc]

The peloton was complete but stretched until the moment Roglic attacked, so, if he was 30 places down with a flat tier and half the speed 40 seconds are nothing.

We have an expression in Denmark, I do not know if it is universal, but: "A thief thinks every man steals" - in this forum it can be translated to "every day cheaters thinks everyone ells cheats". No doubt that Evenepool was to far behind in the peleton and that he would have lost the 8 seconds anyway, but none of his previous actions in his short but impressive career suggest, that he wants to win by cheating/bending the rules - so why do you none talented "fans" have to accuse him of that?

The world is degrading every day...

Btw another impressive win for Mads, he has victories in every month since January - glad his manager last year told him, that he should be more serious...

 

[roundabout]

What do you mean? Now there's just a massive fight for positions up until the 3 km mark instead of the finish line. It doesn't change a thing. And personally, I don't like all these random rules in the sport. I like it as simple, clean and authentic as possible.

I mean having an issue at the end of the race means a certain time loss for even the strongest rider. While at the same time, I am also against neutralizations for GC guys, so for me 3km rule is a reasonable compromise.

Back when I started watching 25 or so years ago, it was a 1 km rule and I am guessing it probably existed many years before that. If it was some random rule that nobody knows why it was brought in, it probably would have been removed by now,

 

[Izzyeviel]

I honestly would not want Evenpoel to lose the Vuelta to a puncture at an unfortunate time, but your mileage may vary.

He's not going to lose the vuelta because he lost 40 seconds with a tire change. Even if he lost more, he's still got several stages to get it back.

It was luck that he didn't lose more time, and it was luck that his rival injured himself. You haven't gotten your wish - luck has decided this vuelta.

swings & roundabouts.

(& for those wondering where my sympathies lie, Remco is my in fantasy cycling team. I'm not just hoping he wins, I'm needing him to!)

 

[Hugo Koblet]

I mean having an issue at the end of the race means a certain time loss for even the strongest rider. While at the same time, I am also against neutralizations for GC guys, so for me 3km rule is a reasonable compromise.

Back when I started watching 25 or so years ago, it was a 1 km rule and I am guessing it probably existed many years before that. If it was some random rule that nobody knows why it was brought in, it probably would have been removed by now,

Sorry, I edited my post quite a few times to elaborate on my opinion

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Sure. If to "be fair" we act like a 10:1 ratio of pointless hating to pollyannaish absurdity is equivalent.

Yes, devotional hype begets similarly devoted backlash, who could ever have anticipated that?

I mean, I don't have anything against Remco at all, but I'm getting treated like I do from many quarters, because of saying things like "he's unproven over three weeks just yet, so I'm not anointing him the winner after one GC stage in week one". It's a lot easier to arrive at an exaggerated ratio of "haters" if one treats anything other than support as though it is "hate".

 

[roundabout]

Sorry, I edited my post quite a few times to elaborate on my opinion

No problem, I read the edited post and I think what I wrote still applies, or at least the part about the rule still being there with the principle unchanged for 25 years plus.

 

[Riek s]

Btw another impressive win for Mads, he has victories in every month since January - glad his manager last year told him, that he should be more serious...

What he is doing in this Vuelta, i think he should be a big favorite if he goes to WC RR.

 

[red_flanders]

Yes, devotional hype begets similarly devoted backlash, who could ever have anticipated that?

I mean, I don't have anything against Remco at all, but I'm getting treated like I do from many quarters, because of saying things like "he's unproven over three weeks just yet, so I'm not anointing him the winner after one GC stage in week one". It's a lot easier to arrive at an exaggerated ratio of "haters" if one treats anything other than support as though it is "hate".

Yeah, not questioning that happens, it's annoying. But again, it's a whisper compared to the idiotic comments coming the other way, and of course the volume of those comments are what causes the overreaction of his fans.

 

[roundabout]

He's not going to lose the vuelta because he lost 40 seconds with a tire change. Even if he lost more, he's still got several stages to get it back.

It was luck that he didn't lose more time, and it was luck that his rival injured himself. You haven't gotten your wish - luck has decided this vuelta.

swings & roundabouts.

(& for those wondering where my sympathies lie, Remco is my in fantasy cycling team. I'm not just hoping he wins, I'm needing him to!)

I am not following you here. Evenepoel did not lose more than 8 seconds to Roglic because this is how the rules are. And Roglic gained 8 seconds that he deserved to gain because of his riding also because of the rules.

I mean it does seem artificial and I get that, but 8 seconds gap on the stage is more reflective of the difference in strength than a 30 seconds/minute/whatever if both had their issues in a non 3km world.

 

[Carrick-On-Seine]

Yes, devotional hype begets similarly devoted backlash, who could ever have anticipated that?

I mean, I don't have anything against Remco at all, but I'm getting treated like I do from many quarters, because of saying things like "he's unproven over three weeks just yet, so I'm not anointing him the winner after one GC stage in week one". It's a lot easier to arrive at an exaggerated ratio of "haters" if one treats anything other than support as though it is "hate".

The way I read the Remco thread is that virtually everyone including his biggest fans were wary of his ability to last three weeks or not ship big time over the past weekend.

 

[Red Rick]

Think it's quite obvious Evenepoel flatted before the 3km. He was pretty far back and considering that it's very generous he's put in the 8s group.

That said, this is the sort of privilege that generally happens to the race leader.

 

[zlev11]

for the people that cant fathom that Remco (or anyone) would fake a flat: yes he only lost 8 seconds, but think about the effort Roglic is putting in compared to the effort Remco put in for the last 3k. he saved a ton of energy and got the same time as the group that only lost 8 seconds while he was basically just warming down. this sport and more importantly the business of this sport is extremely cutthroat. i still don't see a puncture in that video. to call it a "conspiracy theory" is straight up ignorant. I actually think it would be extremely intelligent of Remco and QS to try it, because like I said earlier there's basically no way to prove there wasn't something wrong with his bike.

 

[Red Rick]

Would you rather have races be decided by luck?

No.

But the 3km rule as is is far from ideal, especially on finishes like today.

 

[Cagalitroso]

Think it's quite obvious Evenepoel flatted before the 3km. He was pretty far back and considering that it's very generous he's put in the 8s group.

That said, this is the sort of privilege that generally happens to the race leader.

correct; yet anotherjourno with the same opinion

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