Vuelta a España Vuelta a España 2023, stage 18: Pola de Allande - La Cruz de Linares, 178.9k

[Libertine Seguros]

Did Kuss lie about the Angrilu then?

Do his stories after the stage yesterday and before the stage this morning match?

 

[ManicJack]

the Kuss fiasco is a perfect storm of a very nationalistic American/anglophone fan base coinciding with everyones brains being warped by watching superhero movies for 15 years that have nice heartfelt endings and nothing but clear heroes and villians. everyone wants the Good Guy to win even if it's in direct conflict with the point of having a competition in the first place.

🤡

 

[ManicJack]

Do his stories after the stage yesterday and before the stage this morning match?

Nope and I would bet today was the accurate statement.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Nope and I would bet today was the accurate statement.

Why so? I have a chaque that the interview given in the heat of the moment is more likely to have a grain of truth than the one prepared after discussion with the PR team, personally.

Spoiler: you're no more neutral than I.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Why do I hear your posts in Bobcat Goldthwait's voice?

If I knew who the hell Bobcat Goldthwait was I could try to answer that for you.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Many of us were concerned as to what sort of precedent was being established when the finish line was moved forward 9km on stage 2.

Now it has been moved forward 665.3 km.

 

[zlev11]

🤡

i know i have the correct take when you disagree with it, so thanks

 

[ManicJack]

Why so? I have a chaque that the interview given in the heat of the moment is more likely to have a grain of truth than the one prepared after discussion with the PR team, personally.

Spoiler: you're no more neutral than I.

First off I could care less if Kuss wins. I'm just sick of the narrative driven by people that want it to be what they imagine it must be out of bias. Adios

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

First off I could care less if Kuss wins. I'm just sick of the narrative driven by people that want it to be what they imagine it must be out of bias. Adios

Surely the best (only?) way to prevent a result being determined by bias is to have it settled by genuine competition.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

First off I could care less if Kuss wins. I'm just sick of the narrative driven by people that want it to be what they imagine it must be out of bias. Adios

You mean like the hundreds of people bombarding social media with comments about how evil Rogla and Vingegaard are and how Jumbo are hanging the good ol' Amerkan Boy out to dry? Are you devoting similar efforts to pointing out those peoples' biases?

 

[ManicJack]

You mean like the hundreds of people bombarding social media with comments

🙄

 

[Libertine Seguros]

🙄

Try perusing a few Twitter posts about the team yesterday and counting the responses.

 

[Danskebjerge]

I do not think either of those scenarios will happen….

I definitely think that this Vuelta will have an influence on how some captains and managers will look on super domestiques in breakaways.

 

[dobrien]

You mean like the hundreds of people bombarding social media with comments about how evil Rogla and Vingegaard are and how Jumbo are hanging the good ol' Amerkan Boy out to dry? Are you devoting similar efforts to pointing out those peoples' biases?

If anyone ever needed a timeout from the mods it's you. Selfishly fouling every thread with your anti-Kuss hysteria....

 

[veganrob]

Personal opinion is that if this wasn't them getting a telling off because of the media / social media reaction to yesterday, they'd have done a better job of acting.

You are right about that. Nobody looked happy about the situation. But hey, we got three more stages to watch the circus.

 

[ManicJack]

If anyone ever needed a timeout from the mods it's you. Selfishly fouling every thread with your anti-Kuss hysteria....

Thank you.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

If anyone ever needed a timeout from the mods it's you. Selfishly fouling every thread with your anti-Kuss hysteria....

If I've broken forum rules then I'm sure you can report the posts.

If it's just that you don't like my posts, the ignore function is there.

 

[Cookster15]

It is difficult to fully accept a GT victory that was won on Twitter, though.

Well I’m not on Twitter and am happy to see Sepp take this. The more likely alternative would be much worse - cue the other forum

 

[mountainroad]

Lord this is terrible. Yesterday everybody was livid that J-V didn't let Kuss win, and today everybody is livid that they did.

 

[ManicJack]

Lord this is terrible. Yesterday everybody was livid that J-V didn't let Kuss win, and today everybody is livid that they did.

All 6 people.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

If I've broken forum rules then I'm sure you can report the posts.

If it's just that you don't like my posts, the ignore function is there.

I actually think you deserve a ban as well. I mean, how can someone who was alive in the 80s and 90s not know who Bobcat Goldthwait is?

 

[mountainroad]

I know that history remembers individual winners, but in a technical sense, road cycling is a team sport. The teams are obligated to compete against other teams. The riders within a team are under no individual obligation to compete against each other.

the Kuss fiasco is a perfect storm of a very nationalistic American/anglophone fan base coinciding with everyones brains being warped by watching superhero movies for 15 years that have nice heartfelt endings and nothing but clear heroes and villians. everyone wants the Good Guy to win even if it's in direct conflict with the point of having a competition in the first place.

 

[zlev11]

I know that history remembers individual winners, but in a technical sense, road cycling is a team sport. The teams are obligated to compete against other teams. The riders within a team are under no individual obligation to compete against each other.

you're right, they are under no obligation to race against each other, but they clearly were until it became unpopular with the media and fans and that's a joke. we were getting a spectacle and were robbed of it continuing today because everyone needed their happy ending for the good guy.

 

[Unchained]

It is worth also noting... these were previous pros, almost all of whom being American or working for American or American-owned media companies.

Some Irish, English were also saying the same thing.. Sean Kelly kept saying how Roglic was contradicting himself in the post race interview.. Was he winning? Or waiting? Was it Sepp's turn or was it.. an involuntary.. I always win reaction from Roglic.?

 

[Unchained]

Bernal held on pretty well.

I agree and trying to be in the break was bold.