Had to abstain on principle. IMHO all riders are equal bottom until they win a Scheldeprijs.
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You can run but one day @Libertine Seguros will find youHad to abstain on principle. IMHO all riders are equal bottom until they win a Scheldeprijs.
Proper sinker.Had to abstain on principle. IMHO all riders are equal bottom until they win a Scheldeprijs.
Yawn, if it were for me, the next one to lead over Fauniera first in a WT race is already a bigger legend than Froome. That doesn't mean I'm incapable of making distinctions between what enthusiasts regard as great achievements vs which palmares actually matter. And FW and the Tour just don't compair on any level whatsoever.Well if you think that Tour is everything, I guess you're relatively new to cycling. I'll tell you a little secret, it's not! Not even close...
Contador beat Froome head to head in every race they lined up in that year. Froome was never really at his peak in 2014 while Contador was at the end of his.But if Froome didn't crash (which was the premise of the game), he only lost a few seconds in stage 2.
He would, admittedly, probably have lost something on the cobbles without incidents, but 2013-2015 Froome was a difficult opponent.
Contador beat Froome head to head in every race they lined up in that year. Froome was never really at his peak in 2014 while Contador was at the end of his.
1 Dauphine stage is now a more important data point than the entirety of the Vuelta?
Given that it was immediately before the Tour and before their respective injuries, I'm going to say yes.
Contador was also clearly stronger in Cataluña. Granted that the Dauphine was before the Tour, but Froome in 2014 couldn’t stay upright, and considering that we saw them go head to head at la Vuelta on more or less equal footing, I think Contador was the strongest rider or 2014. In the Dauphine, he still couldn’t drop Contador and had a 8 second lead from the prologue before he crashed. The fact that Bertie finished 2nd in a prologue was a feat unto itself since it was never his strong point...Given that it was immediately before the Tour and before their respective injuries, I'm going to say yes.
Peak Contador was definitely one of the best time trialists/prologues rider out there IMO.Contador was also clearly stronger in Cataluña. Granted that the Dauphine was before the Tour, but Froome in 2014 couldn’t stay upright, and considering that we saw them go head to head at la Vuelta on more or less equal footing, I think Contador was the strongest rider or 2014. In the Dauphine, he still couldn’t drop Contador and had a 8 second lead from the prologue before he crashed. The fact that Bertie finished 2nd in a prologue was a feat unto itself since it was never his strong point...
but I’m biased.
One is not like the other:Given that it was immediately before the Tour and before their respective injuries, I'm going to say yes.
One is not like the other:
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I don't need to think that to contradict the statement that the Dauphiné, more specifically the stage 2 MTF on Béal, was the single best indicator of their relative strength that season.Do you really think that proves that Contador would have added 10% before the Tour and been infinitely superior?
Guy who won 0 Dauphines might have a bigger tendency to get better between Dauphine and Tour than the guy who won 3 Dauphines.
I dont think Netserk is claiming Froome couldnt win either, and I am not, but I think stating that he would absolutely win js ludocrous, and I think that position heavily overrates 2013-2015 Froome.
As for Nibali, Hautacam is surely up there in performance level, and La Toussuire 2015 should be enough evidence his best performances are certainly up there
So unlike the real Froome the hypothetical one is immune to have anything less tham a peak day every dayYou think Froome was at the absolute top of his powers on La Toussuire?
So unlike the real Froome the hypothetical one is immune to have anything less tham a peak day every day
Then why not extend that to Nibali or Contador.
I will concede that tje real Vinnie and Bertie are weaker than the mythical Froomie in your head
And regarding your last point, the changing times didn’t stop Astana from peaking beautifully for the 2015 Giro.Do you really think that proves that Contador would have added 10% before the Tour and been infinitely superior?
I think the tendencies changed when Sky took to the scene, and generally people were closer to their Tour level in the Dauphiné.
Maybe there were even other reasons for that, hint hint, wink wink, cough cough.
Peak mythical Landa is above everyone else. Shame it only happened once and he wasn't free.And regarding your last point, the changing times didn’t stop Astana from peaking beautifully for the 2015 Giro.
I was wondering what the mainstream opinion is regarding these two cyclists. Keep in mind I'm not asking who you think is the best cyclist now, or who is the best overall rider. I'm merely asking who of the two you think has a better palmares.
First of we have Valverde:
Major wins:
Liége-Bastogne-Liége: 2006, 2008, 2015.
La Flèche Wallone: 2006, 2014, 2015, 2016.
Vuelta a España: 2009
Critérium du Dauphiné Libéré: 2009, 2010
Volta a Catalunya: 2009
Clasica San Sebastian: 2008, 2014
He also won nine Vuelta stages, one Giro stage and four Tour stages.
Now on to Nibali:
Major wins:
Vuelta a España: 2010
Giro d'Italia: 2013, 2016
Tour de France: 2014
Giro di Lombardia: 2015
Tirreno-Adriatico: 2012, 2013
He also won 1 Vuelta stage, 6 Giro stages and 5 Tour stages.
Only in 2014. He wasn't close to winning it any other time.Alberto seemed in reasonable form there a number of times and came close to winning,
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