Digger is stating the facts, and are reasonable. You are not stating anything. Just that you have seen his diet. How scientific is that?bobbins said:
They do if they have to compete with other good riders taking drugs.bobbins said:
You explain to me how Bradley's progession on the road has been 'steady' then. Grupetto to 100th, to 50th, to 20th, to top 10...now that's fair enough.bobbins said:
DING DING. We have winner, though I'm not sure you understand what he wrote.gingerwallaceafro said:No they don't. That's the whole point, Wiggins competed with other good riders didn't he?
Or are you now implying that Wiggo doped?
My opinion is that it would be extremely difficult to succeed at the highest levels of this sport, either in GTs or classics, without some form of PED. I admit it is probably more possible to compete on a lesser "program" now than say 5 years ago.gingerwallaceafro said:ChrisE, in your opinion did Wiggins dope?
What sort oh 'help' do you think he has?ChrisE said:My opinion is that it would be extremely difficult to succeed at the highest levels of this sport, either in GTs or classics, without some form of PED. I admit it is probably more possible to compete on a lesser "program" now than say 5 years ago.
I do not buy into the argument flying around here that he went from the grupetto to 5th from the use of some wonder drug, and that is the main proof of his doping. There was never any reason for Wiggins to bust it in a GT until he made it a goal, so why turn yourself out to get 50th?
I think now he is focusing on it, and has "help".
Obviously, nobody on this forum has absolute "proof" of anything, only circumstantial evidence that leads them to conclusions about riders that haven't had AAF.gingerwallaceafro said:What sort oh 'help' do you think he has?
Yeah, being a gullible sponge who soaks up any B.S. the marketers in the sport are selling is much better. Much better.gingerwallaceafro said:Still like people to nail their colours to the mast for clarities sake. A lot of people on here like to insuate and make sneidy comments, skulk, hide behind other posters and be generally negative.
I never said Wigans (get the spelling right) will finish outside the top twenty. I said he will drop twenty minutes in the mountains. He lost three minutes in the only real mountain stage last year.gingerwallaceafro said:Just want to clarify whether BroDeal thinks that Wiggo is a doper as well as finish outside of the top 20.... the more he posts the more incredible he is.
OK, I stand corrected - that was it - losing 20 mins in the mountainsBroDeal said:Yeah, being a gullible sponge who soaks up any B.S. the marketers in the sport are selling is much better. Much better.
I never said Wigans (get the spelling right) will finish outside the top twenty. I said he will drop twenty minutes in the mountains. He lost three minutes in the only real mountain stage last year.
In cycling if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and places in the Tour like a duck then it's a duck. Only the hopelessly softheaded believe it's an eagle.
Blackcat is being sarcastic fyi.gingerwallaceafro said:My gut feeling is that Wiggins is as clean as they come. He likes to speak his mind in a time where most sportspeople come out with the usual tosh and what he does say is usually on the money (for me). Many seem to jump on what he says and take it to mean something else.
I think the main reason for this is that he left Garmin to go to Sky, rather than the way he did it, too. It's common in life to aspire for better, a central motivation for why sport exists - including cycling. Many people move jobs and in his case he was joining up with old friends and mentors. It's normal for professionals of differing types to move on, often with compensation packages going the other way, it could also be said that Wiggins would have been more 'underhanded' not to have followed his heart and to have stayed at Garmin.
There are 5 pages in The Clinic on Christian Vandevelde (who I also think is clean & a role model) and 40 on Brad. I think it's an American jealousy thing.... women scorned etc.
Blackcat categorically stating that Wiggins is a doper earlier in the thread and then coming out in favour of Wiggins later
Well, you're way wrong but you haven't listened to anything written on here yet so whatever.gingerwallaceafro said:I think it's at the very heart of it.
What makes you think I haven't listened to anything written on here? I've read the whole thread.ChrisE said:Well, you're way wrong but you haven't listened to anything written on here yet so whatever.
BTW, a big day for you tomorrow. We will all be watching RVV, but I know you have other plans. Make sure you leave your egg basket tonite where the Easter Bunny can find it.
Sorry, I'm bad about not mixing in emoticons. I'm far from touchy about this subject.gingerwallaceafro said:What makes you think I haven't listened to anything written on here? I've read the whole thread.
I hold my hands up and admit I've missed Black Cat's humour..
What I have discerned is that Wiggins says he used Vandevelde as inspiration for the tour, which has been followed by forty pages of mealy-mouthed negativity.
You can't be happy with your parting quip
Don't be so touchy
Yes you areChrisE said:Sorry, I'm bad about not mixing in emoticons. I'm far from touchy about this subject.
Think what you want to think, and enjoy the sport how you see fit. It is all just for entertainment.
I'm Irish, and in my opinion, believe he doped.gingerwallaceafro said:Yes you are
Apparently I'm out hunting for Easter eggs tomorrow whilst everyone else is watching Flanders.
A bit touchy
There's no other basis to Wiggins success other than hard work. He's always had the 'numbers'.
After he got 4th he was the best thing since sliced bread, since he left Garmin, he's been a cheating, dirty rotten scoundrel.
It leaves me to believe that a lot of the subversive, conspiracy theory loving yanks on here want to rubbish him as he's quite vocal and patriotic and finished better than any other American other than Lance Armstrong!
Oooh the hurt!