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You are Bruyneel: What's your plan? What are your tricks?

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ok, just to clarify... your point is that everyone in cycling, or at least everyone good in cycling, is doping (whether or not they've been caught). so cycling is a fake competition between drugged-out weirdos and you're a big fan and like to talk about it online. that's what you're saying, right? just for my edification.
 
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ilillillli said:
ok, just to clarify... your point is that everyone in cycling, or at least everyone good in cycling, is doping (whether or not they've been caught). so cycling is a fake competition between drugged-out weirdos and you're a big fan and like to talk about it online. that's what you're saying, right? just for my edification.

No, that is the typical oversimplification of an uneducated fanboy who comes around to forums about tour time to read how great his hero is only to find out that for the most part, people who follow the sport think said hero is anything but clean. By now, I have had read that troll post hundreds of times.

I wish for once, one of you seasonal fans would break from the herd.
 
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ilillillli said:
ok, just to clarify... your point is that everyone in cycling, or at least everyone good in cycling, is doping (whether or not they've been caught). so cycling is a fake competition between drugged-out weirdos and you're a big fan and like to talk about it online. that's what you're saying, right? just for my edification.

ok, just to clarify... your point is that no one in cycling is doping, or at least just a few rotten apples (as Phil and Paul would like you to believe). And that the teams with internal testing programs are as pure as the driven snow. And that training harder will overcome the 20 - 30% advantage given to the fully doped rider. And that most riders in the ProTour are really lazy and never train, unless they're with Astana, in which case they've discovered the secret that training is good for your racing. that's what you're saying, right? just for my edification.
 
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ilillillli said:
ok, just to clarify... your point is that everyone in cycling, or at least everyone good in cycling, is doping (whether or not they've been caught). so cycling is a fake competition between drugged-out weirdos and you're a big fan and like to talk about it online. that's what you're saying, right? just for my edification.
Better written would have be : everyone with good results in cyling is doping.

Yes it's very often true.
 
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Angliru said:
Bruyneel has stated that it's his intention to try to keep Contador, Armstrong and Leipheimer as high up in the gc as possible for the entire 3 weeks thus increasing their chances of overall victory should any of the 3 have a bad day. The same probably applies to Kloden who in my opinion is the better all around grand tour rider when compared to Leipheimer. As stated more than once earlier sending any of the 4 off in a break will make the other contenders' teams have to work to bring them back or at the least to limit their time losses all while Astana sits in for the ride. If the break is brought back, Astana has the guns to keep launching attacks with different riders that are definite threats/or to answer attacks, each time with a rider that is a threat to take the overall.

I think the only given is Contador, who has proven over the past 2 years that he is head and shoulders above the rest of the contenders. Armstrong, while his record is incomparable, is still an unknown in terms of what he's capable of after his 3 year "vacation" from competition. Unlike in the 7 years that he won the Tour where in the preceding events that he used as "training" he always at least showed that he was rounding into shape even while still punishing his opponents, this year we have not seen that level of fitness.

The last time we saw him versus elite competition he was getting dropped on the climbs and showing little of the TT dominance that he showed prior to retirement. Yes he showed improvement as the Giro progressed but he was but a shadow of the climber that he used to be. Add to the equation that this is the first time that he will have ridden the Giro and Tour in the same season, at age 37, I would bet that even he deep down is less than the confident, cocky rider he normally is going into Saturday's 1st stage, especially with his strongest competitor being on his own team.

Leipheimer, also 37, many believed peaked too soon with one peak being for the ToC where he targeted the overall and the other being for the Giro, where he was thrust into the ride leadership when Armstrong injured his clavicle crashing in Castilla de Leon (is that name right?). After a competitive
first 2 weeks at the Giro, Leipheimer ran out of steam and was soon unable to even hang on to Armstrong's wheel in the later climbs. While Armstrong was getting stronger, Leipheimer was struggling. Leipheimer appeared to have carried over his fitness to the CdL and began losing it about midpoint of the Giro. Still holding out hope for that unanswered attack that puts him over the top, in the yellow jersey and ultimately the top step of the Tour podium, he's hoping to creep into Tour history by nature of the overwhelming strength of his team. It could happen but I'm personally hoping and praying against it for strictly personal reasons.

If I were Kloden I would go off on an epic attack building up a 25 minute lead on the peloton and coast my way to a shocking overall Tour victory, shocking the world and in his podium acceptance speech he would dedicate his win to his family and his good friend Jan Ullrich!! That would be classic.:D
Good Post.
 
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Yes he showed improvement as the Giro progressed but he was but a shadow of the climber that he used to be.

I'm not sure the "but a shadow" characterization is accurate.

Consider the results of the queen stage (Stage 10):

1 Danilo Di Luca (Ita) LPR Brakes - Farnese Vini 6.30.43 (40.233km/h)
2 Franco Pellizotti (Ita) Liquigas 0.10
3 Denis Menchov (Rus) Rabobank
4 Carlos Sastre (Spa) Cervelo Test Team
5 David Arroyo (Spa) Caisse d'Epargne 0.26
6 Mauricio Soler (Col) Barloworld 0.29
7 Ivan Basso (Ita) Liquigas
8 Levi Leipheimer (USA) Astana
9 Joaquin Rodriguez (Spa) Caisse d'Epargne
10 Michael Rogers (Aus) Team Columbia - Highroad
11 Stefano Garzelli (Ita) Acqua & Sapone - Caffe Mokambo
12 Gilberto Simoni (Ita) Serramenti PVC Diquigiovanni-Androni Giocattoli
13 Lance Armstrong (USA) Astana
14 Michele Scarponi (Ita) Serramenti PVC Diquigiovanni-Androni Giocattoli 0.41
15 Marzio Bruseghin (Ita) Lampre - N.G.C. 0.45
16 Tadej Valjavec (Slo) AG2R La Mondiale 1.23
17 Dario David Cioni (Ita) ISD 1.34
18 Damiano Cunego (Ita) Lampre - N.G.C.
19 Francesco Masciarelli (Ita) Acqua & Sapone - Caffe Mokambo
20 Kevin Seeldrayers (Bel) Quick Step
21 Yaroslav Popovych (Ukr) Astana


Losing only 29 seconds after all that climbing... Not too bad.
Now, he also lost almost 2 1/2 minutes in the Giro ITT, but that was in a 1.5 hour ride. Remember the year he lost two minutes to Mayo on Alpe d'Huez ITT in the Dauphine just a couple of weeks before the Tour?

Since the giro he has lost weight and, by all reports, got stronger.

You've also got to believe that he saves his "best stuff" (cough, cough) for the Tour.

I hear what you're saying, but I wouldn't write him off quite as much you seem to be doing.
 
Ninety5rpm said:
I'm not sure the "but a shadow" characterization is accurate.

Consider the results of the queen stage (Stage 10):

1 Danilo Di Luca (Ita) LPR Brakes - Farnese Vini 6.30.43 (40.233km/h)
2 Franco Pellizotti (Ita) Liquigas 0.10
3 Denis Menchov (Rus) Rabobank
4 Carlos Sastre (Spa) Cervelo Test Team
5 David Arroyo (Spa) Caisse d'Epargne 0.26
6 Mauricio Soler (Col) Barloworld 0.29
7 Ivan Basso (Ita) Liquigas
8 Levi Leipheimer (USA) Astana
9 Joaquin Rodriguez (Spa) Caisse d'Epargne
10 Michael Rogers (Aus) Team Columbia - Highroad
11 Stefano Garzelli (Ita) Acqua & Sapone - Caffe Mokambo
12 Gilberto Simoni (Ita) Serramenti PVC Diquigiovanni-Androni Giocattoli
13 Lance Armstrong (USA) Astana
14 Michele Scarponi (Ita) Serramenti PVC Diquigiovanni-Androni Giocattoli 0.41
15 Marzio Bruseghin (Ita) Lampre - N.G.C. 0.45
16 Tadej Valjavec (Slo) AG2R La Mondiale 1.23
17 Dario David Cioni (Ita) ISD 1.34
18 Damiano Cunego (Ita) Lampre - N.G.C.
19 Francesco Masciarelli (Ita) Acqua & Sapone - Caffe Mokambo
20 Kevin Seeldrayers (Bel) Quick Step
21 Yaroslav Popovych (Ukr) Astana


Losing only 29 seconds after all that climbing... Not too bad.
Now, he also lost almost 2 1/2 minutes in the Giro ITT, but that was in a 1.5 hour ride. Remember the year he lost two minutes to Mayo on Alpe d'Huez ITT in the Dauphine just a couple of weeks before the Tour?

Since the giro he has lost weight and, by all reports, got stronger.

You've also got to believe that he saves his "best stuff" (cough, cough) for the Tour.

I hear what you're saying, but I wouldn't write him off quite as much you seem to be doing.
That was by no means the "queen stage". Try looking at the one finishing in Monte Petrano.
 
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Thoughtforfood said:
No, that is the typical oversimplification of an uneducated fanboy who comes around to forums about tour time to read how great his hero is only to find out that for the most part, people who follow the sport think said hero is anything but clean. By now, I have had read that troll post hundreds of times.

I wish for once, one of you seasonal fans would break from the herd.

ALL HAIL THOUGHTFORFOOD, GRAND MASTER OF THE INTERNET CYCLING MESSAGE BOARD!*

It apparently takes 1,000 posts or a failed marriage to Frankie Andreu to have a legitimate perspective around here. And this dude knows it. He's some how managed to crack over 700 lance-is-a-doper one-liners while simultaneously puttin' the hurt on n00bs. An unprecedented achievement. Which, of course, mean that he's probably doping.

*Possible side-effects include swelling of the head, rose-scented feces, and tendency to collect soiled "summer's eve."
 
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ALL HAIL THOUGHTFORFOOD, GRAND MASTER OF THE INTERNET CYCLING MESSAGE BOARD!*

It apparently takes 1,000 posts or a failed marriage to Frankie Andreu to have a legitimate perspective around here. And this dude knows it. He's some how managed to crack over 700 lance-is-a-doper one-liners while simultaneously puttin' the hurt on n00bs. An unprecedented achievement. Which, of course, mean that he's probably doping.

*Possible side-effects include swelling of the head, rose-scented feces, and tendency to collect soiled "summer's eve."

See that part about the psychological need of people like you to try to prove you are more intelligent than anyone who you feel inferior to? Read it again. And agian. And again.

and Summers Evetm is trade marked, capitalized, and not in need of quotes.

Dang.
 
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ilillillli said:
a tribute to thoughtforfood "geniusing"



well done, sir.

more to come.

Why not post under just one name? I have seen this troll tactic before. Welcome to ignoreland along with a couple of your other screen names you cute little tyke.
 
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Oh, and sorry your hero is a fraud........man you guys all take that so personally.....
 
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Thoughtforfood said:
Oh, and sorry your hero is a fraud........man you guys all take that so personally.....

i didn't realize ignoreland meant you kept making asinine posts.
 
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dimspace said:
wow.. certifcates, badges and awards are really taking off around here arnt they.. :D

Funny, i just noticed the guy had a Summers Eve douche on his own certificate and still didn't know how to present the information correctly............I guess I will have to wait for someone else more esteemed to give me an award....this is like getting a writing award from the Grocery Boys Union......
 
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Thoughtforfood said:
Funny, i just noticed the guy had a Summers Eve douche on his own certificate and still didn't know how to present the information correctly............I guess I will have to wait for someone else more esteemed to give me an award....this is like getting a writing award from the Grocery Boys Union......

i think he just said that my certificates look a lot better than yours. pretty good for a n00b, right? i'm surprised yours still look so amateur.
 
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Thoughtforfood said:
Funny, i just noticed the guy had a Summers Eve douche on his own certificate and still didn't know how to present the information correctly............I guess I will have to wait for someone else more esteemed to give me an award....this is like getting a writing award from the Grocery Boys Union......

for the record (because you're so concerned with accuracy):

the ellipses is a punctuation mark consisting of THREE dots, not the TWELVE you typed.

there's even an article about it on wikipedia: Ellipses

...just while we're out minutia-ing each other.
 
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I'm just guessing here, but I think someone needs to explain the "Ignore" function to this mororn.
 
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Thoughtforfood said:
I'm just guessing here, but I think someone needs to explain the "Ignore" function to this mororn.

not addressing me directly ≠ i can't see your posts.

just fyi.
 
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ilillillli said:
i think armstrong in a break makes sense... if the peloton will let him go. armstrong will ride his a$$ off to try and gain time and meanwhile the rest of the team can take care of contador, control the peloton and drop off one by one as they put the hurt on the final group of contenders. does that make sense?

otherwise, maybe have no plan until stage 7, winer of the stage gets the team.

Wow... is this a serious post?

Yeah, I'm sure the other racers have already written that nobody has-been called Armstrong off. He can't race now. He's no threat. They'll just let him ride away because he couldn't possibly win. Yeah man, yeah. You have it all figured out.

Chalk another one up for the failure of the anti-Lance crowd.
 
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fpcyclingn said:
Wow... is this a serious post?

Yeah, I'm sure the other racers have already written that nobody has-been called Armstrong off. He can't race now. He's no threat. They'll just let him ride away because he couldn't possibly win. Yeah man, yeah. You have it all figured out.

Chalk another one up for the failure of the anti-Lance crowd.

alright, as one of the few people on the board with fewer posts than me, i'm allowed to call you a jerk-off.

some advice: read the entire thread and note the date stamps. before the start of the tour it was unclear what form lance would be in. clearly now the strategy would be different. i still don't think it's a bad idea to attack with (at this point) either lance or contador. if the attack works you get a stage win, if it doesn't you wear down the other teams' contenders/ climbing domestiques and attack again with the rider that didn't go. make sense?

also, i find it interesting that in this thread i've been called both a lance-lover and a lance-hater. i think it speaks to the rational thought process that takes place on this board.