Giro d'Italia 2017 rumours - Il Centesimo

[Brullnux]

That makes no sense though if you come from that valley to Stelvio, via Mortirolo.

 

[Gigs_98]

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Brullnux, that's the Tovo side... the easier side is from Monno.

Possible. Tbh I only watched highlight videos of that stage because eurosport germany showed handball that day

 

[Eshnar]

what do you mean? They would probably come from the Valcamonica (the one with Edolo), so climbing from Monno to get into Valtellina would make perfect sense.
Ofc they could also get into Valtellina from Aprica or even from the S.Marco and then climb the Tovo side... but I'd rather not see it anymore

 

[Gigs_98]

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That makes no sense though if you come from that valley to Stelvio, via Mortirolo.

They didn't go all the way to the top but started the descent when they reached the normal street. Look at the profile from 2012, the top of the mortirolo was a bit lower than usually.

 

[Brullnux]

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what do you mean? They would probably come from the Valcamonica (the one with Edolo), so climbing from Monno to get into Valtellina would make perfect sense.
Ofc they could also get into Valtellina from Aprica or even from the S.Marco and then climb the Tovo side... but I'd rather not see it anymore

Yeah I'm not sure what I mean anymore.

I figured they'd use the same as 2012, then got confused by the arrows on cyclingcols.

Crap monno is piss easy. I see what you mean now

 

[Eshnar]

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what do you mean? They would probably come from the Valcamonica (the one with Edolo), so climbing from Monno to get into Valtellina would make perfect sense.
Ofc they could also get into Valtellina from Aprica or even from the S.Marco and then climb the Tovo side... but I'd rather not see it anymore

Yeah I'm not sure what I mean anymore.

 

[Netserk]

This is the new Contador side from Menno:

 

[Brullnux]

So I guess this is like a 'come to us' plea from RCS to Contador?

 

[Gigs_98]

Can anyone explain why "Contador side"?

 

[mikii4567]

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what do you mean? They would probably come from the Valcamonica (the one with Edolo), so climbing from Monno to get into Valtellina would make perfect sense.
Ofc they could also get into Valtellina from Aprica or even from the S.Marco and then climb the Tovo side... but I'd rather not see it anymore

A stage with Vivione - Mortirolo - Stelvio wouldn't be that bad. From the valley Vivione would be quite a long climb, making it ideal for the first riders to be dropped by 'natural selection' - the weak lose out immediately. On the Mortirolo there could then be the main selection by teams, as a GC attack here would come WAY too early (unless you're TdG and have nothing to lose OR if you're Contador at the 2011 Giro and have Rujano by your side to work with), so at the top I would probably see a very selected group. By the bottom, it will just be the favourites left to fight on the final climb, which is very long and grinding, making for a tough ride, especially if alone. If one attacks, they could gain a lot here.
Something like this .

(btw, even looks a bit like the 2013 Stage 19/2014 Stage 16, though a bit different)

The only way this would work, though, is if they then have a relatively flat stage. Because otherwise the favourites will just leave everything until Stelvio, meaning absolutely no racing for the first 90km.

 

[Vesica]

Thanks to staubsauger and Eshnar for explanation! Makes sense.

 

[Red Rick]

Can anyone explain why "Contador side"?

They named one road over the Mortirolo after Contador. I think it was in late 2014. Then they organised a sportive on it, which also included the Gavia, and naturally, Contador took off into the sunset. I think it was where his own team was as well and where Mas was the only one to follow him.

 

[mikii4567]

http://www.lastampa.it/2016/09/01/e...go-in-pole-GBIGCAFJCOzBsaTC6WP9pI/pagina.html
La Stampa again pretty much confirms stage 14 will end in Oropa .
They also imply the stage 15 (which we're implying will be Lombardia-esque and will end in Bergamo) will start in Valdengo, or another city in the Biella region (they suggest Andorno Micca). However, the article states it's most likely Valdengo will see the race again after two years, when it hosted... the start of the stage after Oropa .

Can someone confirm this though? My knowledge of Italian isn't the best .

 

[Eshnar]

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http://www.lastampa.it/2016/09/01/e...go-in-pole-GBIGCAFJCOzBsaTC6WP9pI/pagina.html
La Stampa again pretty much confirms stage 14 will end in Oropa .
They also imply the stage 15 (which we're implying will be Lombardia-esque and will end in Bergamo) will start in Valdengo, or another city in the Biella region (they suggest Andorno Micca). However, the article states it's most likely Valdengo will see the race again after two years, when it hosted... the start of the stage after Oropa .

Can someone confirm this though? My knowledge of Italian isn't the best .

yeah, that's what it says

 

[railxmig]

I wonder why i've seen some complaints about the Tovo side of Mortirolo. It's a perfectly fine ascent comparable with the classic Mazzo side. With 2012 stage the regular Mazzo side would suck too, but i don't remember Mortirolo sucking in 2012. Last time i watched the stage was good 2 years ago so my memory can do tricks on me here. AFAIK the peloton was fragmented with only like first couple of GC guys in the front and i think Purito putting a couple of small attacks on relentless Ryder before it settled down on the easier gradients closer to the top where De Gendt and Cunego (?) went clear.

This edition of Giro will be the 100th one, yes? If there are any chances of a stage in Lucca? Considering the history city has with Giro it would be a nice forgiveness type of story and Giro loves cheap drama (most of the Giro editions between 1976-1986 were a complete joke). One of the most important cities in Tuscany along with Arezzo, Siena, Pisa, Cortona not having a Giro for 30 years is rather unacceptable. The beautiful Cortona could be another amazing addition to the Giro with an uphill finish (maybe even in front of the basilica, but the available space is not the biggest one).

Of course Tuscany is mostly known for it's strade bianche and i guess on the 100th edition there will be a stage having these. Maybe an uphill finish on a such gravel road in San Gimignano (northwest of Siena) using some other sections north of Siena could be a possibility? Such stage could start in Cortona being approx 200km.

 

[Brullnux]

Sardinia start all but confirmed according to cn, but gazzetta as far as I can see says nothing

 

[Eshnar]

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Sardinia start all but confirmed according to cn, but gazzetta as far as I can see says nothing

well, the official announcement will be on Sept. 14th, so no wonder they can't write anything...

 

[Brullnux]

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Sardinia start all but confirmed according to cn, but gazzetta as far as I can see says nothing

well, the official announcement will be on Sept. 14th, so no wonder they can't write anything...

The Sardinians seem pretty happy to talk about it openly though

 

[Eshnar]

A week ago La Stampa, talking about Oropa, hinted it might be the last mountain stage of the race. I didn't give much of that, since all other rumours were pointing at the Dolomites for the finale, but now in a local article Cainero states that the MTF to Piancavallo will probably happen "at the end of the second week or at most at the start of the third". Also, the following stage will start from Pordenone and head into the Dolomites (I would think it's the Pordoi stage).

So I'd say Vegni's plans for the route have changed again. The race should end in Piemonte. However, this is hard to mix with previous rumours. If a finish in Bergamo (or thereabouts) is due for stage 15, and stage 16 is the Stelvio, this pushes Piancavallo back at least to stage 13, with stage 14 to the Pordoi.

Something like this:

13 ??? - Piancavallo
14 Pordenone - Pordoi
15 Val di Fassa - Presolana? (that would make sense, since Bergamo it's too far from Val di Fassa)
rest
16 Bergamo - Stelvio
17 Tirano - somewhere west

 

[HelloDolly]

So is Froome suggestig that he might target the Giro in 2017 ?

 

[Eshnar]

It's not the first time Froome hints at it. My take is that it's just PR.

As for the route, I really don't know. In the 5-6 years I've been doing this thread we never arrived at September without the faintest idea of the actual route scheme

 

[Red Rick]

Froome has hinted about doing the 2017 Giro a few times, but each and every Tour he's talking about aiming for the Tour for the next 5 years. It makes no sense for him to do it. The Tour is too important for him to not try and win, and he shouldn't be thinking he can pull that double off. The Giro is the perfect race for Sky to give Landa and or Poels a chance to ride for themselves before giving pledging their lungs and legs to Froome at the Tour.

 

[TourOfSardinia]

CF won't do the Giro cause it would endanger doing the TdF.
Think also of cold wet mountain passes - not his favourite thing.
Think LRP, think Wiggo.

 

[Eshnar]

today at 11.30 am there will be the presentation of the Grande Partenza.

 

[TourOfSardinia]

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today at 11.30 am there will be the presentation of the Grande Partenza.

It not yet official but I am hearing that the 1st Stage will pass thru Alghero, Sassari & Olbia.
Yeah!