Potential reactions to Armstrong news...

[flicker]

Lance is part of a fitness conciousness around cycling and other aerobic activities in the USA. Since I am from the USA I can only speak from what I have seen in the USA specific Northern and Sourthern California.

Likely I see more serious riders on TREKs and SPECIALIZED bicycles than any other brand which I attribute to USA coverage in the magnificient 7 victories + his 2 gallant attempts at victories in 09,10.

So really here it is about the publicity of cycling racing and magnificent TdF victories by Greg and Lance which have gotten more cyclists riding in the USA.

It is totally bogus to be called Lance by an automobile driver though.

 

[jimbob_in_co]

All pro teams around the world have doping issues , and not just cycling .. ...hockey , football , baseball , basketball the list goes on.

The old, 'but everyone else does it too' argument. I never find that a valid defense.

Having to deal with doping isnt going to stop me from joining a fund raising ride if i have the time . All my friends ride and enjoy the ride all without dope or worries of dopeheads in the pro ranks or old masters trying to dope to relieve a past life . NO one has ever called us dope heads because we ride a bike .

I have never worried or seen a negative issue about Lance creating an effect regarding doping during fund raising for the groups that we have witnessed doing their fund raising .

Sadly, you and I have vastly different experience in these areas.

During these local fund raising rides ,,, there is not even a Lance presence .
People Ride , have fun , raise some money and show the shear numbers of cyclists that now exist .

Thankfully, you and I have had very similar experience as well.

 

[BotanyBay]

All pro teams around the world have doping issues , and not just cycling .. ...hockey , football , baseball , basketball the list goes on.
Having to deal with doping isnt going to stop me from joining a fund raising ride if i have the time . All my friends ride and enjoy the ride all without dope or worries of dopeheads in the pro ranks or old masters trying to dope to relieve a past life . NO one has ever called us dope heads because we ride a bike .
I have never worried or seen a negative issue about Lance creating an effect regarding doping during fund raising for the groups that we have witnessed doing their fund raising .
During these local fund raising rides ,,, there is not even a Lance presence .
People Ride , have fun , raise some money and show the shear numbers of cyclists that now exist .

See how popular a "Barry Bonds Foundation" event is today. Or perhaps a Roger Clemens Foundation event.

You see, people first needed to believe the example was genuine.

 

[stainlessguy1]

Excellent Dave.

As another Canadian cyclist I must say that Stainless1 seems to be trying to generate a good discussion but is failing. Stainless please stop.

Also, out of respect for Terry Fox, please never, EVER, speak of him in the any discussion board or blog about Lance. They are complete opposites.

Terry was dying, with such an aggressive form of Osteosarcoma that his end game was clear and non-negotiable. He began his run with palliative metastases. Lance is a liar, makes money lying and doping to win bike races, and lies to the very delicate cohort that he was apart of. How diabolical.

The Terry Fox foundation will last forever and Terry is dead. The LAF will soon fold and LA is still alive.

NW

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Neworld Thanks for your input .

I cant stop , writing because of a difference of opinion , i have the same right to express my opinion in a free society . Freedom of expression .

I will not ever not include Terry in a type of fundraising idea because when i review the time and the pictures and see Terry . It is Exactly Terry , it is Terry why we fundraise in the first place .
Lance is why we become sceptical of donating anything .,,, so yes you are right they are opposites ,,, but it takes an opposite to remind us of the difference between right and wrong , good and not so good .
You are right Terry will go on .... but you are wrong saying he is dead .
We believe in the life everlasting as Christians ,,, and his memory makes him live on wherever he may be .

One thing i might add ,, maybe the LAF will fold maybe there is a lot of money due , to be transfered to various charities from the LAF . Maybe Maybe ,,, His day will come ,, but its for the court to decide that is what sets our countries up as different , than the rest of the world ...... he still gets his due process .
It wouldnt be the first time that embezzled funds have been relocated to their rightfull designations .

 

[stainlessguy1]

See how popular a "Barry Bonds Foundation" event is today. Or perhaps a Roger Clemens Foundation event.

You see, people first needed to believe the example was genuine.

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Well it all starts somewhere . The trick is keeping it real .

 

[jimbob_in_co]

One thing i might add ,, maybe the LAF will fold maybe there is a lot of money due , to be transfered to various charities from the LAF . Maybe Maybe ,,, His day will come ,, but its for the court to decide that is what sets our countries up as different , than the rest of the world ...... he still gets his due process .
It wouldnt be the first time that embezzled funds have been relocated to their rightfull designations .

I would hope the reallocation might also included the option for donors to get some of their money back. (Believe me, I have ALL of the records and required proof of donations made. Even 60 cents US on the USD would be good for me.)

 

[stainlessguy1]

Lance is part of a fitness conciousness around cycling and other aerobic activities in the USA. Since I am from the USA I can only speak from what I have seen in the USA specific Northern and Sourthern California.

Likely I see more serious riders on TREKs and SPECIALIZED bicycles than any other brand which I attribute to USA coverage in the magnificient 7 victories + his 2 gallant attempts at victories in 09,10.

So really here it is about the publicity of cycling racing and magnificent TdF victories by Greg and Lance which have gotten more cyclists riding in the USA.

It is totally bogus to be called Lance by an automobile driver though.

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I agree , Thank you , what i have been attempting to say also in a much to heavy book format . lol .
Being called a Lance is the least of my worries , it just tells me we have a ways to go before the overall message get thru .

 

[Berzin]

The argument being made that interest in cycling will diminish in North America now that Lance is no longer riding is absolutely incorrect, and it's the most worn and the most popular among Lance apologists. What WILL diminish is interest in Lance Armstrong.

Still in all it's no reason to go on blindly worshiping a cheater. If it means seeing less Treks out there with morons wearing Radio Shack gear, then I'm all for this so-called decline.

When it comes to ethics, the ends do not justify the means.

Besides, if the only reason you ride a bike is because of Lance Armstrong, you have bigger problems facing you than the decline of our beloved sport.

Waiting for this Sports Illustrated article is going to be the longest week of my life, but I feel it will be worth it. Mark it on your calendar, fellow haters-it will be a great day to be one of us.

 

[stainlessguy1]

I would hope the reallocation might also included the option for donors to get some of their money back. (Believe me, I have ALL of the records and required proof of donations made. Even 60 cents US on the USD would be good for me.)

well i would want proof of where it went and if i donated for cancer research or machines or equiptment ,,, i dont want the money back ,, i want proof that my donation got to where i thought it was supposed to go .
IN short i want to see the result .
When local shriners or rotarys do fund raisers ,,, there is usually a big visual thing left standing that was built or was bought that helps people ,,,, you can see the result even if you cant do numbers .
Open the books ,,, we need that open book policy in place for fundraising organizations to stop this leaching of funds to private pockets .
period .

 

[jimbob_in_co]

well i would want proof of where it went and if i donated for cancer research or machines or equiptment ,,, i dont want the money back ,, i want proof that my donation got to where i thought it was supposed to go .
IN short i want to see the result .
When local shriners or rotarys do fund raisers ,,, there is usually a big visual thing left standing that was built or was bought that helps people ,,,, you can see the result even if you cant do numbers .
Open the books ,,, we need that open book policy in place for fundraising organizations to stop this leaching of funds to private pockets .
period .

And people need to stop screamer "HATER" at those who do the investigating, or share the stories of waste they saw in working with the organizations in question.

 

[stainlessguy1]

The argument being made that interest in cycling will diminish in North America now that Lance is no longer riding is absolutely incorrect, and it's the most worn and the most popular among Lance apologists. What WILL diminish is interest in Lance Armstrong.

Still in all it's no reason to go on blindly worshiping a cheater. If it means seeing less Treks out there with morons wearing Radio Shack gear, then I'm all for this so-called decline.

When it comes to ethics, the ends do not justify the means.

Besides, if the only reason you ride a bike is because of Lance Armstrong, you have bigger problems facing you than the decline of our beloved sport.

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I dont think people ride bikes just because of Lance , but became aware of bicycling thru the media , thru the coverage , thru the partisanship created because a homeboy was leading in the tour .

The end never justifys the means if its been an unjust journey .
When a person tries to pull the good out of the disaster that has happend , doesnt make people into automatic fanboys . Or Lance apologists .
Most of us are very Neutral ....... we just dont like jumping to tonnes of conclusions or throwing cyber stones at people .
Most cyclists should not quit cold turkey ,,, it leads to complications health wise ,,, a competitive rider should ride for many years and gradually tune down till he is reintigrated as a civilian . So i expect Lance to continue to ride
its the smart thing to do health wise . As with any intense athlete .

 

[flicker]

The argument being made that interest in cycling will diminish in North America now that Lance is no longer riding is absolutely incorrect, and it's the most worn and the most popular among Lance apologists. What WILL diminish is interest in Lance Armstrong.

Still in all it's no reason to go on blindly worshiping a cheater. If it means seeing less Treks out there with morons wearing Radio Shack gear, then I'm all for this so-called decline.

When it comes to ethics, the ends do not justify the means.

Besides, if the only reason you ride a bike is because of Lance Armstrong, you have bigger problems facing you than the decline of our beloved sport.

Waiting for this Sports Illustrated article is going to be the longest week of my life, but I feel it will be worth it. Mark it on your calendar, fellow haters-it will be a great day to be one of us.

Hey I ride a TREK. I ride it because it is a good bike the price was right and the frame was constructed in the USA. My TREK is Campagnolo equipped, why? Simply because it is Campi. Eddy,Fausto Coppi and Felice Giamondi rode Campi. I like Italian components.is simply a coincidence that my Lord Armstrong rides one?
No, I also like riding the brand bike my Lord Armstrong rides.

 

[stainlessguy1]

And people need to stop screamer "HATER" at those who do the investigating, or share the stories of waste they saw in working with the organizations in question.

Yes here here . somebody has to do it ..... somebody needs to be the control .

 

[stainlessguy1]

Hey I ride a TREK. I ride it because it is a good bike the price was right and the frame was constructed in the USA. My TREK is Campagnolo equipped, why? Simply because it is Campi. Eddy,Fausto Coppi and Felice Giamondi rode Campi. I like Italian components.is simply a coincidence that my Lord Armstrong rides one?
No, I also like riding the brand bike my Lord Armstrong rides.

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Absolutely ,, ride the bike that best fits your body type and where you get the most ,, or should i say the least weight for the buck .
Me ,, i love my 1979 old SL columbus Tubing , Campi super record equipt, the best and boy do i blow by riders on a down hill run ...... smiles .
I tell eveyone look out ,, i go good downhill ........

 

[BotanyBay]

And people need to stop screamer "HATER" at those who do the investigating, or share the stories of waste they saw in working with the organizations in question.

The more they scream "Hate", the more I feel that I need to dig.

 

[flicker]

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Absolutely ,, ride the bike that best fits your body type and where you get the most ,, or should i say the least weight for the buck .
Me ,, i love my 1979 old SL columbus Tubing , Campi super record equipt, the best and boy do i blow by riders on a down hill run ...... smiles .
I tell eveyone look out ,, i go good downhill ........

Kinda scary. All the old campi and nice old Italian frames are awesome except for the brakes. New campi stops sufficiently the shimano better and disk the best. If you want to stop really fast forget the old campi.

 

[runninboy]

Kinda scary. All the old campi and nice old Italian frames are awesome except for the brakes. New campi stops sufficiently the shimano better and disk the best. If you want to stop really fast forget the old campi.

Gosh i went from Dura Ace to Campy because the Campy brakes were better? I specifically remember more than a few crashes in the late 90's early 2000's from guys with Carbon wheels & Campy brakes that the brakes grabbed so quick no one behind them had a chance to avoid them. No such thing as feathering that combination IMO.
Those models were overbuilt and i was told thats why they went to skeleton, removing needless material & weight from brakes to make them actually a little less efficient but more attractive to weight weenies.
maybe i am wrong but thats my take

 

[BotanyBay]

Stopping too fast only causes skidding, which then actually accelerates a rider who wishes to stop. Gotta think at a 30,000 foot view rather than how quickly a brake caliper stops a wheel.

 

[Beech Mtn]

so a guy who survives cancer only to go on to illegally abuse medical products - the long-term health effects of which are unknown, hell they could increase the risk of cancer for all anyone knows - all for the sake of winning bike races and becoming rich and famous is someone to thank for being a good role model for cancer patients? That'd be like idolizing someone for overcoming heroin addiction while secretly he's doing meth on the side.

And don't even think about putting Armstrong in the same sentence as Terry Fox.

Thanks - that was such a great point that I have a new signature.

 

[flicker]

Gosh i went from Dura Ace to Campy because the Campy brakes were better? I specifically remember more than a few crashes in the late 90's early 2000's from guys with Carbon wheels & Campy brakes that the brakes grabbed so quick no one behind them had a chance to avoid them. No such thing as feathering that combination IMO.
Those models were overbuilt and i was told thats why they went to skeleton, removing needless material & weight from brakes to make them actually a little less efficient but more attractive to weight weenies.
maybe i am wrong but thats my take

I ride campi veloce from 1999 with campi carbon record 9. Perfect for my use.(group rides with turkeys and some funky crazy crits)
I am old and afraid of carbon wheel brake pad interface on rough downhill steep roads. Those roads I ride occasionally some 20 percent downward gradients potholled, switchbacks 200 lb. rider etc. Campi alloy wheels and the veloce are just fine for that.

Shimano is great but I think the brakes are too strong. Never tried the campi skeleton.

 

[**Uru**]

Frankly, I would be shocked if Armstrong is charged with anything following the FDA probe. As people should know, the FDA is charged with the safety of US drug supplies. Their interest here would be in the unlawful distribution of drug products in the US, not whether Lance Armstrong (or anyone else) is a doper. From what I understand, the reason for the foreign meetings was to determine whether any of those foreign agencies had evidence of illicit distribution. This is completely consistant with what the FDA does all the time.

Most, if not all, of Landis' claims have been made in the past. So I would guess that Armstrong--and his supporters--have a pretty good grasp on the talking points. Assuming that Armstrong, other riders, and team did not distribute drugs; probably the worst that could happen is serving for any purgery that might have come up through the investigation (ie Marion Jones) and possible sanction from USA Cycling if doping activity is uncovered.

The FDA may uncover unlawful distribution of drugs, but I would be very suprised if they charge Armstrong with that.

 

[Race Radio]

Frankly, I would be shocked if Armstrong is charged with anything following the FDA probe. As people should know, the FDA is charged with the safety of US drug supplies. Their interest here would be in the unlawful distribution of drug products in the US, not whether Lance Armstrong (or anyone else) is a doper. From what I understand, the reason for the foreign meetings was to determine whether any of those foreign agencies had evidence of illicit distribution. This is completely consistant with what the FDA does all the time.

Most, if not all, of Landis' claims have been made in the past. So I would guess that Armstrong--and his supporters--have a pretty good grasp on the talking points. Assuming that Armstrong, other riders, and team did not distribute drugs; probably the worst that could happen is serving for any purgery that might have come up through the investigation (ie Marion Jones) and possible sanction from USA Cycling if doping activity is uncovered.

The FDA may uncover unlawful distribution of drugs, but I would be very suprised if they charge Armstrong with that.

You should not be surprised if Armstrong, and others, are charged with a variety of drug charges...including the use of unapproved, experimental, drugs.

Regardless the case is not an FDA case. It is run by Doug Miller in the Federal prosecution office who directs the various investigators in what to look and shapes the case. There are other investigators besides Novitzky involved. Novitzky spent 10 years investigating tax crime, Do not be surprised when there is a large financial part of this case.

 

[jimbob_in_co]

You should not be surprised if Armstrong, and others, are charged with a variety of drug charges...including the use of unapproved, experimental, drugs.

Regardless the case is not an FDA case. It is run by Doug Miller in the Federal prosecution office who directs the various investigators in what to look and shapes the case. There are other investigators besides Novitzky involved. Novitzky spent 10 years investigating tax crime, Do not be surprised when there is a large financial part of this case.

+1 I am again in awe of your patience, Race Radio.

 

[flicker]

Frankly, I would be shocked if Armstrong is charged with anything following the FDA probe. As people should know, the FDA is charged with the safety of US drug supplies. Their interest here would be in the unlawful distribution of drug products in the US, not whether Lance Armstrong (or anyone else) is a doper. From what I understand, the reason for the foreign meetings was to determine whether any of those foreign agencies had evidence of illicit distribution. This is completely consistant with what the FDA does all the time.

Most, if not all, of Landis' claims have been made in the past. So I would guess that Armstrong--and his supporters--have a pretty good grasp on the talking points. Assuming that Armstrong, other riders, and team did not distribute drugs; probably the worst that could happen is serving for any purgery that might have come up through the investigation (ie Marion Jones) and possible sanction from USA Cycling if doping activity is uncovered.

The FDA may uncover unlawful distribution of drugs, but I would be very suprised if they charge Armstrong with that.

In other words it isn't about ethics. The FDA are not ethic police. They do not enforce the fact that Lance has a thing about blonds, dated Sheryl Crow, does outlandish interviews expressing his bravado towards cycling, ran into an old guy who was in the closed off area after a tour stage or was peeved at a 12 yr. old anonymous luxumburgian heckler, correct?)

 

[BotanyBay]

Frankly, I would be shocked if Armstrong is charged with anything following the FDA probe. As people should know, the FDA is charged with the safety of US drug supplies.

And they prosecute those that commit the fraudulent activity that undermines the chain of custody of controlled substances.

You've been watching too many old western movies. The one's where the bad guys cross the county line and get away... Just because they crossed the county line. It don't really work that way. Novi can keep on going with whatever he finds.