He gave up on himself with that suicide attack, because it was all or nothing and, deep down, he must have realized that it was a ride into oblivion. In this it's metaphorical of the greater abyss that awaited him.What the hell did I just read?
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He gave up on himself with that suicide attack, because it was all or nothing and, deep down, he must have realized that it was a ride into oblivion. In this it's metaphorical of the greater abyss that awaited him.What the hell did I just read?
Yeah, Mas only finished 2nd in the Vuelta GC 3 times. What a fourth tier loser he is. So Kuss is better with his more or less gifted Vuelta? Interesting.Well Landa, Vlasov and Mas are not stronger riders than those currently behind Pog at this Giro. You’d could make a case for Kuss on last year’s Vuelta but Landa was convincingly beaten by Jai Hindley two years ago.
You’d have more credibility if you commented about any other rider - including Vingegaard? You are certainly not impartial and this is the biggest issue I have with your opinion as the OP. A thread on Pog would have been posted by someone else anyway after the 2020 TdF knowing what happened on stage 20 and the sport’s history. But other posters are not so myopic IMO. For example we know @Froome is a big Vingegaard fan here but way more fair and objective.
Indeed. I thought we would see some watt bombage today. Boyo is on a mission. Today is a combination of climbing practice and time trial practice, as evidenced by the continual pressing at the front. It's not enough to win.
Double ascent and his team doesn't have enough climbers to put a insane pace for 30 minutes.Less than a minute on a 2014 climbing time on a >50 minute climb with teammates setting you up?
In terms of pure W/kg bombs this Giro hasn't delivered
I would expect a 26,8 km TT to go faster than a 184 km stage with a double ascent.Less than a minute on a 2014 climbing time on a >50 minute climb with teammates setting you up?
In terms of pure W/kg bombs this Giro hasn't delivered
Less than a minute on a 2014 climbing time on a >50 minute climb with teammates setting you up?
In terms of pure W/kg bombs this Giro hasn't delivered
Ventoux was a MTT in 1987. In a normal stage in 1994, Pantani was nearly 4 minutes faster.I would expect a 26,8 km TT to go faster than a 184 km stage with a double ascent.
The two fastest times on the Mont Ventoux came from the TT in theDauphiné 2004. None of the TdF climbs ever came close, not in even the EPO years of 1994 and 1999.
That tells you how 'special' Pogacars performance was today.
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Speed & Glory on Mont Ventoux: TOP 50 fastest rides on the Giant of Provence
© Cyclingnews/John Pierce 1. 2004: 55:51 Iban Mayo 23.10 km/h 2. 2004: 56:26 Tyler Hamilton 22.86 km/h 3. 1999: 56:50 Jonathan V...www.climbing-records.com
26 km TT just means you‘re already pushing for a few kilometers before the climb and they also had to do another kilometer to the very top of GrappaI would expect a 26,8 km TT to go faster than a 184 km stage with a double ascent.
The two fastest times on the Mont Ventoux came from the TT in theDauphiné 2004. None of the TdF climbs ever came close, not in even the EPO years of 1994 and 1999.
That tells you how 'special' Pogacars performance was today.
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Speed & Glory on Mont Ventoux: TOP 50 fastest rides on the Giant of Provence
© Cyclingnews/John Pierce 1. 2004: 55:51 Iban Mayo 23.10 km/h 2. 2004: 56:26 Tyler Hamilton 22.86 km/h 3. 1999: 56:50 Jonathan V...www.climbing-records.com
Pantani's 95 and 97 times up AdH are also faster than Armstrong's TT in 04
Ullrich's 2001 climb was unimpressive anyway, he barely gapped Beloki and Christophe Moreau.90s times were much faster than anything before and after, Pantani or no Pantani. Mt Ventoux TTs clearly suggest that for such long climbs a standalone performance is better due to even pacing: just look how for first few km Pelizzarri advantage didn't change much due to slower UAE pace-makers. Alpe ITT was also great: Armstrong beat his own spectacular 2001 climbing, so did Ullrich vs 2001. There's no doubt in my mind that Pogacar could have ridden even faster in a standalone TT.
Ullrich's 2001 climb was unimpressive anyway, he barely gapped Beloki and Christophe Moreau.
What also happens is you get a false idea of pacing cause if everybody follows the group at first when they try to set up Pogacar initially nobody will drop when a Grosschartner is doing like 5.9-6W/kg90s times were much faster than anything before and after, Pantani or no Pantani. Mt Ventoux TTs clearly suggest that for such long climbs a standalone performance is better due to even pacing: just look how for first few km Pelizzarri advantage didn't change much due to slower UAE pace-makers. Alpe ITT was also great: Armstrong beat his own spectacular 2001 climbing, so did Ullrich vs 2001. There's no doubt in my mind that Pogacar could have ridden even faster in a standalone TT.
I've lost track of what point either of us is making, but in 2003, Mayo was the only one who wasn't bad that day.Kloden's time in ITT 2004 (was third with a large gap to Armstrong and Ullrich) was almost as good as Mayo's climb the year before though.
Finally, I don't even think performances like this bother me terribly much. The circle jerk of fanboys over any particular doper is, however, perplexing.
Are you really comparing pre-EPO era with peak EPO era?Ventoux was a MTT in 1987. In a normal stage in 1994, Pantani was nearly 4 minutes faster.
Fast era beats slow era, MTT or not.