Tom Danielson

[HelmutRoole]

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I've been too busy. Was TD's announcement ever made official by the UCI? Maybe he didn't get the memo he could encourage the positive to go away with a little money.

I too find it strange there is no USADA press release for Danielson. I also find it sad that, apparently, no one in the cycling media has thought to ask for one.

When did the cycling media(or any sporting media* ) ever do it's job? These guys cant even be called journalists, paste and copy monkeys.

*there are exceptions but few and far between the fans with laptops.

In North America, the relationship between reporters and athletes is too cozy, or at least it was when I was covering the sport on and off between 2000 and 2006. In those days, if a reporter even mentioned doping he risked ostracization. That's probably still true today. The remedy is to have on staff a reporter dedicated to covering doping. The guys writing game pieces mostly have no interest in doing that work.

 

[proffate]

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ESCAPE CLEANLINESS

That is brilliant. Let's not forget back in the days before his first positive test TD loved to break records on various hillclimb courses around the US (Mount Washington, Mount Evans, etc.) These tend to be very low budget affairs so drug testing was rare. I guess he knows that he won't be tested while under suspension so now he can go all out with the needle and "break" KOM's on Strava. Pathetic.

He would still be in the pool, so it is possible he gets tested.

in fact aren't suspended riders subject to extra testing? just cause you're suspended doesn't mean you're allowed to take OOC banned drugs

 

[yespatterns]

He's definitely in the pool, but his radio silence does him no favors. Speaks volumes though.

 

[ScienceIsCool]

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I've been too busy. Was TD's announcement ever made official by the UCI? Maybe he didn't get the memo he could encourage the positive to go away with a little money.

I too find it strange there is no USADA press release for Danielson. I also find it sad that, apparently, no one in the cycling media has thought to ask for one.

When did the cycling media(or any sporting media* ) ever do it's job? These guys cant even be called journalists, paste and copy monkeys.

*there are exceptions but few and far between the fans with laptops.

In North America, the relationship between reporters and athletes is too cozy, or at least it was when I was covering the sport on and off between 2000 and 2006. In those days, if a reporter even mentioned doping he risked ostracization. That's probably still true today. The remedy is to have on staff a reporter dedicated to covering doping. The guys writing game pieces mostly have no interest in doing that work.

Oh, quit it. Let's read your articles so we can form an opinion for ourselves. Who did you report for and when did they publish? You can't half out yourself. That sucks.

John Swanson

 

[the delgados]

Why does HelmutRoole have to out himself in order for the comment to be legitimized?
No one else here is expected to do so.
Why not just discuss opinions about the thought issued, rather than the person who wrote them?
It really doesn't matter whether or not HR is who s/he purports him/herself to be.
No disrespect to HR, but in terms of the relationship between beat writers and riders, HR isn't saying anything most of us don't already know.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

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I've been too busy. Was TD's announcement ever made official by the UCI? Maybe he didn't get the memo he could encourage the positive to go away with a little money.

I too find it strange there is no USADA press release for Danielson. I also find it sad that, apparently, no one in the cycling media has thought to ask for one.

When did the cycling media(or any sporting media* ) ever do it's job? These guys cant even be called journalists, paste and copy monkeys.

*there are exceptions but few and far between the fans with laptops.

In North America, the relationship between reporters and athletes is too cozy, or at least it was when I was covering the sport on and off between 2000 and 2006. In those days, if a reporter even mentioned doping he risked ostracization. That's probably still true today. The remedy is to have on staff a reporter dedicated to covering doping. The guys writing game pieces mostly have no interest in doing that work.

Oh, quit it. Let's read your articles so we can form an opinion for ourselves. Who did you report for and when did they publish? You can't half out yourself. That sucks.

John Swanson

I would prefer examples of cozy relationships between journos and athletes, rather than someone outing themselves.

Focus on the content, not the poster, I reckon.

The Ligget -- Armstrong is an easy example: flights on the jet, shared gold mine, etc, etc. Would be interesting to hear other examples as well.

 

[joe_papp]

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I've been too busy. Was TD's announcement ever made official by the UCI? Maybe he didn't get the memo he could encourage the positive to go away with a little money.

I too find it strange there is no USADA press release for Danielson. I also find it sad that, apparently, no one in the cycling media has thought to ask for one.

Actually, it's perfectly normal and appropriate of USADA not to have issued any detailed public commentary on Danielson's adverse analytical finding (AAF).

In fact, they maintain the athlete's privacy during the adjudication process, unlike, for example, what happened to Floyd in France when news of his positive test was leaked in what might as well have been real-time.

Tom had to acknowledge the case being brought against him and acceptance of the provisional suspension in order to explain why he would be sitting out Utah. Iirc, an athlete could continue to compete while their case was progressing (during the time b/w the A sample and B-sample confirmation, for example), b/c USADA doesn't disclose the AAF while the case is being adjudicated, including going before the arbitration panel.

So that's why Phil Zajicek wasn't outed by USADA prior to his first arbitration hearing, the one at which I testified against him. I believe we witnesses were not only under oath, but we were also reminded not to discuss the case in public or w/ the media, until a final decision had been reached.

tl;dr: USADA is very good about respecting the privacy of an athlete accused of a possible anti-doping rules violation (ADRV), but they also do it to protect the integrity of their case by limiting inappropriate disclosure/commentary.

 

[Enrico Gimondi]

Is there any update here? TD is just spending his time riding around Boulder in his team kit.

 

[zigmeister]

Oh JV....where art thou???

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Apparently Tommy D is telling anyone who will listen in Boulder that he's going to get off.

:-/

 

[mewmewmew13]

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Apparently Tommy D is telling anyone who will listen in Boulder that he's going to get off.

:-/

Nobody in Boulder listens to him.

 

[arthurvandelay]

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Apparently Tommy D is telling anyone who will listen in Boulder that he's going to get off.

:-/

Wait wait don't tell me: He's got a new cycling groupie girlfriend he's boasting about ? I guess that setting KOM's on Strava knowing his chances of getting tested soon are slim wasn't enough.

 

[thehog]

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Apparently Tommy D is telling anyone who will listen in Boulder that he's going to get off.

:-/

Tommy D has been getting off with a lot of people in Boulder of late. Mostly under the age of 27.

 

[the sceptic]

Tommy only doped twice you guys. And both times he was forced by Lance to stick the needle into his arm.

Hope he can come back and win the vuelta clean in 4 years.

 

[thehog]

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Tommy only doped twice you guys. And both times he was forced by Lance to stick the needle into his arm.

Hope he can come back and win the vuelta clean in 4 years.

The sport needs guys like Tommy D. He raced during his 6 month ban and now only used testosterone in a supplement to keep up with his girlfriend, that is not doping.

I believe in Tommy.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

ffs. If the B sample came back negative that should have been mentioned and the rider exonerated weeks ago.

As it is, it looks like political / legal maneuvering is at work instead. Naturally this is pure conjecture and needs to be confirmed in due course, but I am disliking the tone of this from the horse's mouth as he rips up Strava in a dope-fuelled rage.

 

[MarkvW]

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Tommy only doped twice you guys. And both times he was forced by Lance to stick the needle into his arm.

Hope he can come back and win the vuelta clean in 4 years.

The sport needs guys like Tommy D. He raced during his 6 month ban and now only used testosterone in a supplement to keep up with his girlfriend, that is not doping.

I believe in Tommy.

Has Tommy started his fairness fund, yet? Due process for Tommy!

 

[Archibald]

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ffs. If the B sample came back negative that should have been mentioned and the rider exonerated weeks ago.

As it is, it looks like political / legal maneuvering is at work instead. Naturally this is pure conjecture and needs to be confirmed in due course, but I am disliking the tone of this from the horse's mouth as he rips up Strava in a dope-fuelled rage.

only 4th overall on a Strava segment/climb... can't be doping, otherwise he'd have the KOM
Then again, he's 18seconds quicker than Mini-Phinney on that Lee Hill climb

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Who is Tom Danielson?

 

[Fortyninefourteen]

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Tommy only doped twice you guys. And both times he was forced by Lance to stick the needle into his arm.

Hope he can come back and win the vuelta clean in 4 years.

The sport needs guys like Tommy D. He raced during his 6 month ban and now only used testosterone in a supplement to keep up with his girlfriend, that is not doping.

I believe in Tommy.

Has Tommy started his fairness fund, yet? Due process for Tommy!

He's suffered enough. Please move on.

 

[thehog]

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ffs. If the B sample came back negative that should have been mentioned and the rider exonerated weeks ago.

As it is, it looks like political / legal maneuvering is at work instead. Naturally this is pure conjecture and needs to be confirmed in due course, but I am disliking the tone of this from the horse's mouth as he rips up Strava in a dope-fuelled rage.

This would be awesome if it comes about. It would be a JV special. TommyD the only guy to be a career doper be caught twice and evade suspension. Only Vaughters/USADA could pull off something so ridiculous and brazen.

 

[More Strides than Rides]

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ffs. If the B sample came back negative that should have been mentioned and the rider exonerated weeks ago.

As it is, it looks like political / legal maneuvering is at work instead. Naturally this is pure conjecture and needs to be confirmed in due course, but I am disliking the tone of this from the horse's mouth as he rips up Strava in a dope-fuelled rage.

This would be awesome if it comes about. It would be a JV special. TommyD the only guy to be a career doper be caught twice and evade suspension. Only Vaughters/USADA could pull off something so ridiculous and brazen.

I don't know, Horner's double down to win the Vuelta, and then releasing his Passport Data was more brazen. All the while denying being rider 15.

 

[thehog]

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ffs. If the B sample came back negative that should have been mentioned and the rider exonerated weeks ago.

As it is, it looks like political / legal maneuvering is at work instead. Naturally this is pure conjecture and needs to be confirmed in due course, but I am disliking the tone of this from the horse's mouth as he rips up Strava in a dope-fuelled rage.

This would be awesome if it comes about. It would be a JV special. TommyD the only guy to be a career doper be caught twice and evade suspension. Only Vaughters/USADA could pull off something so ridiculous and brazen.

I don't know, Horner's double down to win the Vuelta, and then releasing his Passport Data was more brazen. All the while denying being rider 15.

True. Still, if someone can do it, TommyD can!

If Tommy gets off, I think he needs to go full *** and win a GT next year, just to provide confidence that pro-cycling is still ridiculous as it has ever been!

 

[Digger]

I miss mr tailwind to somehow tell us this is the right decision.

JV will just blame the machine - simple.

 

[Benotti69]

If Danielson gets off it will be because Vaughters did a deal with Tygart and hence no need for Vaughters to resign like he always said he would.

The clean charade led by snakeoil Vaughters just keeps riding on and on.......