Tour de France Tour de France 2024: Stage 14: Pau - Saint-Lary-Soulan Pla d’Adet 151.9km

[Froome]

This is probably the single most formulaic Tour mountain stage you can design, but Plat d'Adet is a great MTF so I won't cry too much

I reviewed the climb in the Tour 2014, and i remembered that the climb is more hard than i thought.

 

[Lequack]

Bruyeneel says Remco to Bora maybe (@8:10)

View: https://youtu.be/Kw4IPWqXseI?si=d697lT8OEcXWL7_S

 

[dobrien]

How?

Have Bart Lemmen setting a hard pace on the climbs?

Rick clarified my point for me, but.. my point was simply, if Pog is riding conservatively (meaning trying to save energy, not going thermonuclear) and he STILL gets dropped by Jonas tomorrow, then I'm simply assuming at that point Jonas will be able to nuke Pog at will, without needed a train, given the difficulty of the upcoming stages/accumulated fatigue in Pog. Which is (I'm thinking) just a different way of saying what Rick already said.

 

[Sciatic]

Isn't there a chance that Pogacar races conservately and Vingegaard still drops him?
I don't think is that impossible to Vingegaard push more w/kg on Pla d'Adet and especially Plateau de beille. Even more if they make the stages super hard.

I think there’s a chance for anything. If UAE rides more conservatively they won’t have burned off Yates, which is to Pogacar’s benefit in that if he gets drops Yates might still be in contact to help him chase. Of course that won’t be possible if Pog/Ving have already destroyed all life on earth and then Vingegaard drops him,

 

[red_flanders]

Surprised to see a couple folks tipping Gaudu, he just hasn't done anything to make me think he could separate from even a strong break. Or even get into a strong break. To me he seems totally out of the race.

Not a believer.

 

[Rechtschreibfehler]

After missing 4 stages due to job related travel, I am pretty exited to re enter with a MTF.
Seeing how stage 11 ended, it's gonna be interesting what Pogacar we are going to see. Behavior and form wise.

Btw. I don't buy the Visma will wait for Sunday option, if they still think the way to go is to make the race hard for Pogi than it seems to me, that Sunday is gonna do just that by itself mostly, but saturday won't but it gives them the opportunity to make Tourmarlet and the following climb hard (if they don't run out before) and give Vingegaard the wheel on Pla d'Adet.

Edit:
Given that Bora have lost Roglic, Hindley should go in the break tomorrow, or better tomorrow and the day after that.

 

[titan31]

Surprised to see a couple folks tipping Gaudu, he just hasn't done anything to make me think he could separate from even a strong break. Or even get into a strong break. To me he seems totally out of the race.

Not a believer.

Ya, I'd say Madouas out of any of the FDJ riders

 

[saunaking]

If Pog and UAE had any balls they would do something, so probably gonna be a snorefest. Good think I have a ride planned tomorrow

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

I think Yates tries for the break again and forces Visma to chase.

 

[joe_papp]

Talk about a record that's gonna go down

Spoiler

Pla d'Adet top 50 refreshed by the 2014 riders​

1. 1993: 29:35 Zenon Jaskula 20.89 km/h
2. 1993: 29:35 Tony Rominger 20.89 km/h
3. 1993: 29:38 Miguel Indurain 20.85 km/h
4. 2001: 29:48 Lance Armstrong 20.74 km/h
5. 1993: 30:00 Stephen Roche 20.60 km/h
6. 2014: 30:32 Vincenzo Nibali 20.24 km/h
7. 2014: 30:32 Jean-Christophe Péraud 20.24 km/h
8. 2005: 30:34 Ivan Basso 20.22 km/h
9. 2005: 30:34 Lance Armstrong 20.22 km/h
10. 1993: 30:41 Robert Millar 20.14 km/h
11. 1993: 30:43 Andrew Hampsten 20.12 km/h
12. 1993: 30:43 Alvaro Mejia 20.12 km/h
13. 2001: 30:48 Jan Ullrich 20.06 km/h
14. 2005: 30:58 Michael Rasmussen 19.96 km/h
15. 2005: 30:58 Francisco Mancebo 19.96 km/h
16. 1993: 31:10 Richard Virenque 19.83 km/h
17. 1993: 31:10 Jon Unzaga 19.83 km/h
18. 1993: 31:10 Claudio Chiappucci 19.83 km/h
19. 1993: 31:12 Jean-Philippe Dojwa 19.81 km/h
20. 1993: 31:14 Johan Bruyneel 19.79 km/h
21. 1993: 31:16 Gianni Faresin 19.77 km/h
22. 2014: 31:21 Alejandro Valverde 19.71 km/h
23. 1993: 31:24 Antonio Martin 19.68 km/h
24. 2014: 31:26 Thibaut Pinot 19.66 km/h
25. 2014: 31:26 Tejay Van Garderen 19.66 km/h
26. 1993: 31:27 Roberto Conti 19.65 km/h
27. 1993: 31:27 Bjarne Riis 19.65 km/h
28. 2001: 31:34 Joseba Beloki 19.58 km/h
29. 2001: 31:34 Roberto Heras 19.58 km/h
30. 2014: 31:36 Laurens Ten Dam 19.56 km/h
31. 2014: 31:47 Mikel Nieve 19.44 km/h
32. 2014: 31:50 Rafal Majka 19.41 km/h
33. 2005: 31:58 Jan Ullrich 19.33 km/h
34. 2005: 31:59 Alexandre Vinokourov 19.32 km/h
35. 2014: 32:00 Romain Bardet 19.31 km/h
36. 2005: 32:20 Levi Leipheimer 19.11 km/h
37. 1993: 32:28 Franco Vona 19.03 km/h
38. 2014: 32:32 Giovanni Visconti 19.00 km/h
39. 2014: 32:39 Alessandro De Marchi 18.93 km/h
40. 2001: 32:40 Igor Gonzalez De Galdeano 18.92 km/h
41. 2005: 32:40 Christophe Moreau 18.92 km/h
42. 1993: 32:50 Pedro Delgado 18.82 km/h
43. 1993: 32:50 Alberto Elli 18.82 km/h
44. 2014: 32:55 Pierre Rolland 18.77 km/h
45. 2005: 33:00 George Hincapie 18.73 km/h
46. 2014: 33:02 Frank Schleck 18.71 km/h
47. 2014: 33:02 Bauke Mollema 18.71 km/h
48. 2001: 33:03 Marcos Serrano 18.70 km/h
49. 2005: 33:06 Oscar Pereiro 18.67 km/h
50. 1982: 33:13 Beat Breu 18.61 km/h

 

[Didinho]

I dont think making the race as hard as possible is the way to go for UAE vs Vingo. They threw a kitchen sink on Wednesday and failed an now realize Vingo's power. If I were Pogs DS the plan would be simple: stick to Jonas wheel and if feeling good attack in the last km to increase the GC gap a bit more. its on Jonas to attack first now, he is losing in the GC.

I know. That would also be my plan as a DS. But Jonas still misses some base condition he missed out in hospital, and I got the feeling he went hard already untill now. Just try again this weekend, as it’s the first hard mountain stage. That’s just my guess that Pogi will try first hard if he’s feeling strong and if he doesn’t get a gap he will follow.

 

[Winnen]

WvA in the break, he will wait for Jonas and Pogi on the last climb and he then will drop Pogi (again) by going nuclear.

 

[scribers]

WvA in the break, he will wait for Jonas and Pogi on the last climb and he then will drop Pogi (again) by going nuclear.

Wout going nuclear? This isn’t 4 years ago

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Isn't there a chance that Pogacar races conservately and Vingegaard still drops him?
I don't think is that impossible to Vingegaard push more w/kg on Pla d'Adet and especially Plateau de beille. Even more if they make the stages super hard.

I JV makes stages super hard then maybe. But I dont know if they have horsepower to do it. If UAE does it then they play with fire.

 

[Rob5091]

With a man down, I think UAE will wait until the last climb before going full USPS. Then it will be who can follow and Visma will be happy with the GC guys coming in together.
If Pogi can not drop Vingegaard then the PR/mind games will be wratched up a notch.

 

[Nerlo]

Bruyeneel says Remco to Bora maybe (@8:10)

View: https://youtu.be/Kw4IPWqXseI?si=d697lT8OEcXWL7_S

I’m surprised to see this podcast being regularly shared on the forum. Are we over what Lance did to the sport now? Or is it out of pity that we contribute to his marketing? I’m genuinely curious

 

[Tricycle Rider]

A bit of 80s music should do it:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwrYMWoqg5w

 

[Rackham]

I’m surprised to see this podcast being regularly shared on the forum. Are we over what Lance did to the sport now? Or is it out of pity that we contribute to his marketing? I’m genuinely curious

The same can be said of every podcast.

Naesen & Broe from Lanterne Rouge are part of the same inexplicable deference to youtubers I see on social media & in the press. Another "like & subscribe" funny man is Chris Horner with his "I'll tell you why all these guys are knuckleheads" daily sketch worthy of Saturday Night Live.

It seems to work though because their farming for engagement does yield viewership results. I don't have to like it though. Tbh I'd rather read Cyrille Guimard's grumpy takes than listen to the professional salesmen & drama merchants fishing for likes in those aforementioned podcasts.

 

[dennisdy]

Remco will have bad memories of the Tourmalet from stage 13 of last year’s Vuelta.

 

[dacooley]

I don't think Pogacar will keep up attacking so recklessly after having taken a minor blow on Lioran. The duo seem to be on par thus far. Not racing since pais vasco is counterbalanced by having ridden the Giro.

 

[meat puppet]

If Vinge is clearly up to it, but the team is not, he should just ride hard on the suitable climbs and see how it goes. The recipe is for well-done Pogo stick in the third week, anyway.

If he's not there will likely be a Pogo attack and then it's game on.

 

[SHAD0W93]

With a man down, I think UAE will wait until the last climb before going full USPS. Then it will be who can follow and Visma will be happy with the GC guys coming in together.
If Pogi can not drop Vingegaard then the PR/mind games will be wratched up a nothch.

UAE has been a man down the whole race.

 

[Miha81]

UAE has been a man down the whole race.

Exactly. No big difference although it seems that they were counting on him in 2nd part of the race.

 

[movingtarget]

Not convinced the break will hang on. So far the breaks haven't been well organized or big enough. I can see them getting chased down on the final climb. UAE have the super team and should put them to full use on this stage. Be interested to see what Remco can do. Usually he drops off but does a good job of damage control and finds a rhythm he's comfortable with. Can any of the riders behind him do something ? Trouble is half of them are riding for Pogacar. This stage should be the best indicator of Vingegaard's condition so far and what to expect next week. Might be a few more riders struggling to make the time cut. Expect the EF riders to get into the break again same with Groupama, Ineos and maybe also Bora after Roglic's exit.

 

[Valv.Piti]

I think there's some merit to Pog training for longer efforts more specifically than previously and being better at them. At least thats the hope from mou that Im clinging onto, because I think right now Jonas is the slight favorite. As for today, I think a big break goes and wins unless Visma goes ham already today - which I think they won't because of stage 15 which is better, but that doesn't mean they cant try today. I think UAE ride completely different from now, because in theory Pogacar should be the best wheelsucker (even better than Jonas) in the entire peloton due to his ability to accelerate and sprint. So thats the tactic that I hope he applies now - he hoped the advandtage would be 2-3 minutes, it isn't, but this is not a catastrophe either. Vinge still has to make up time and he cannot just rely on the ITT. Thats what too dangerous.

UAE losing Ayuso means very little in my estimation. Almeida and Yates should be enough now that they don't need to go on the offensive no more.