Vuelta a España Vuelta a España 2023, stage 14: Sauveterre-de-Béarn - Larra-Belagua, 156.2k

[topcat]

Attila Valter for the stage and to take a small lead in the GC. He’s always had a big engine.

 

[Zoetemelk-fan]

OK just read thread and want to add a thing about the Jumbo Trinity.

Was obvious to everyone Vingo was more than cooked on last kilometre yesterday. Post race he stated he really felt he faded and that he was clearly not up there in quite same shape as in July.

Even so obvious that when Kuss opened the gates, he was flying.

It was also quite clear that Rogla still has the stomp.

But what is especially clear to me is the riders' behavior right after the finish line. Here, Kuss was clearly the one with the most profit and confidence, without any doubt.

I'm not saying he's the strongest in Asturias. And it is a well reasoning that Vingo is on an upward curve and if situation is there might be able to steal what he needs in relation to Kuss upwards, especially Angliru. Or Rogla the like.

But I only see this situation if Kuss is having a bad day. And yes, he has been there before in almost every GT until now.

But now he has a team that supports him. And not the reverse situation, him being the supporter.

Furthermore, it is completely different to push yourself to the limits for 3 weeks a winner of a Giro or a Tour compared to the role as a supporting rider, stopping the effort instantly getting your pulse down when job done having left your leader of whom the real suffering now begins. Of course Kuss has been an absolutely invaluable supporting rider in the Giro and the Tour. I just want to mention this as he has taken his opportunities to relax when he has done his job. And other stages not having a prime supporting role concentrating on 100% relax and not having to think about time gaps for himself speaking GC in e.g. hectic cross wind stage situations.

Now he has to complete his work, and the head on the block with the freshness he is radiating right now, as well as the fact that his closest competitors are his team-mates, I see no reason to leave out the favorite role on his shoulders now.

When he can humiliate Mas, Ayuso, Soler and Uijtdenbroeks, his only competitor is really himself.

*edit* sorry maybe this post better suits in another thread. If I should add some relevance speaking toping I really don't see a consecusive TJV show today. Since, frankly, they don't need to.

 

[Blanco]

I dont expect Roglic or Vingo to attac Kuss directly. But if someone else from the top 10 attacs and Kuss has trouble following.... I'd not be surprised if Vingo or Rog will take the chance an go for the win. For me the big question is, will it be Vingo or Roglic.? Or both?

Team will determine the order. I guess Roglic as the 2nd in the GC would respond before Vinge, but if attacks are repeating then naturally Vinge will respond too. Or they will both have the rider to cover, Roglic for example would cover Ayuso, and Vingegaard would cover Mas.
They will both follow the team orders.

 

[topcat]

I hope Jumbo doesn't allow him in breaks. Better in the long term to break his spirit.

While Jumbo are at it, they should mark Bernal. He looks like he’s building morale. Team Jumbo, The third reich.

 

[ice&fire]

De Gendt asking the moto to go away in the neutralised start. He's ready to go.

 

[Zoetemelk-fan]

Feels a lot like a 1991 situation brewing, overpowered team gets less expected rider in the lead early, and they show surprising strength throughout while simultaneously a bunch of stages where they show weakness are abridged or annulled.

The other one that I thought of was 2003, where again an overpowered team got a less expected rider in the lead early in the race, and then with a parcours stupidly heavy on a format that suited them and their continued control, they continued to grind it out until finally reaching their limit right at the end of the race as Heras continued to stalk their man. The problem is, do we have anybody who can realistically play the Heras role when the B- and C-contenders are also on the same team?

Come to think of it, both of those examples were ONCE, who had similar jerseys to Jumbo too.

At least to the best of my knowledge Sepp uses the shower.

Clearly remember 2003 edition and can follow your points.
Except that in this year's edition I don't see Sepp as an Isidro Nasal having Valverde, Heras, Beltran and Mancebo as competitors. One to one Mas vs. Valverde, Ayuso vs. Heras, Mancebo vs. Soler, Beltran vs. Uijtdenbroeks. First mentioned all in their primes.

The 1991 Vuelta version is more dark to me. Wasn't it a battle between ONCE team mates Melchior Mauri and Marino Lejaretta ?(the latter by then great idol to me, similar GT palmares as the one in my profile) *edit* oh forgot Big Mig. Was it about a Banesto situation I have forgotten?

 

[QueenStagiaire]

The Cyril Barthe fan club is holding up the race.

 

[Aimar16]

Ever since the americans took over Eurosport they have been constantly spamming random american wins with ad montages. Culture propaganda non-stop.

 

[iBanesto]

Feels a lot like a 1991 situation brewing, overpowered team gets less expected rider in the lead early, and they show surprising strength throughout while simultaneously a bunch of stages where they show weakness are abridged or annulled.

The other one that I thought of was 2003, where again an overpowered team got a less expected rider in the lead early in the race, and then with a parcours stupidly heavy on a format that suited them and their continued control, they continued to grind it out until finally reaching their limit right at the end of the race as Heras continued to stalk their man. The problem is, do we have anybody who can realistically play the Heras role when the B- and C-contenders are also on the same team?

Come to think of it, both of those examples were ONCE, who had similar jerseys to Jumbo too.

At least to the best of my knowledge Sepp uses the shower.

Mauri in 1991 was something.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Clearly remember 2003 edition and can follow your points.
Except that in this year's edition I don't see Sepp as an Isidro Nasal having Valverde, Heras, Beltran and Mancebo as competitors. One to one Mas vs. Valverde, Ayuso vs. Heras, Mancebo vs. Soler, Beltran vs. Uijtdenbroeks. First mentioned all in their primes.

The 1991 Vuelta version is more dark to me. Wasn't it a battle between ONCE team mates Melchior Mauri and Marino Lejaretta ?(the latter by then great idol to me, similar GT palmares as the one in my profile)

There was also Indurain, who was not yet the unstoppable behemoth he'd become, but was well on the way to becoming it. Mauri took advantage of a trios TTT and a full TTT in the first few days while ONCE destroyed the front of the race with pure dominance, then got allowed to gain time on his teammates in the mammoth (290km!) stage 4. Nobody really knew how he would climb as he had little pedigree for it, and while he was struggling, the weather was bad in Catalunya. Mauri lost a bit of time in the Andorra stage and looked vulnerable, but the Pla de Beret stage over La Rabassa, Port del Cantò and Bonaigua was cancelled, and the Cerler stage modified with fewer climbs as a result. When they got to the stages in Asturias, Mauri had ridden into some form and was surprisingly difficult to drop. It was seen as pretty weird because a TT-type rider like Mauri was expected to deal better with the lower gradient, steadier climbs in his home region than the more inconsistent and steeper ascents of Asturias.

 

[Aimar16]

Where is Van Hooydonck to shadow Remco?

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Ever since the americans took over Eurosport they have been constantly spamming random american wins with ad montages. Culture propaganda non-stop.

Don't watch the XC skiing if the American propaganda offensive bothers you on the cycling.

 

[Tim Cahill]

Ayuso looks pretty good but he don't stand a chance, he should attack then just drag Vingegaard or Roglic to the finish on purpose to stir the pot.

 

[ice&fire]

Remco vs De Gendt is new hot topic

 

[Salvarani]

De Gendt and his apprentice, learn from the best kid.

 

[iBanesto]

Where is Van Hooydonck to shadow Remco?

Evenepoel is going to landis everyone.

 

[iBanesto]

There was also Indurain, who was not yet the unstoppable behemoth he'd become, but was well on the way to becoming it. Mauri took advantage of a trios TTT and a full TTT in the first few days while ONCE destroyed the front of the race with pure dominance, then got allowed to gain time on his teammates in the mammoth (290km!) stage 4. Nobody really knew how he would climb as he had little pedigree for it, and while he was struggling, the weather was bad in Catalunya. Mauri lost a bit of time in the Andorra stage and looked vulnerable, but the Pla de Beret stage over La Rabassa, Port del Cantò and Bonaigua was cancelled, and the Cerler stage modified with fewer climbs as a result. When they got to the stages in Asturias, Mauri had ridden into some form and was surprisingly difficult to drop. It was seen as pretty weird because a TT-type rider like Mauri was expected to deal better with the lower gradient, steadier climbs in his home region than the more inconsistent and steeper ascents of Asturias.

Do you know why Lejarreta retired after 1991?

He finished 3rd in the Vuelta and then 5th in the Giro during the 1991 season.

 

[Netserk]

Jumbo totally absent. No wonder Evenepoel can manage to attack.

 

[Samamba]

Remco will take half an hour today. Yesterday was just to make it exciting.

 

[Samamba]

Jumbo totally absent. No wonder Evenepoel can manage to attack.

Valter has been countering moves

 

[Aimar16]

Don't watch the XC skiing if the American propaganda offensive bothers you on the cycling.

It's not just cycling, but the whole channel. During ad breaks, they keep showing american successes to European audiences...

 

[Netserk]

It would be sweet if they catch him at the bottom of the first climb.

 

[Rackham]

Kirby & McEwen acting like Evenpoel is back at his best... after 10km in an early break attempt on the flat.

I sometimes wonder how these guys got the job.

 

[Tim Cahill]

Unless he's doing a Contador 2016 TDF move he doesn't look too empty here, so wtf happened yesterday.

 

[HelloDolly]

No pressure Remco going all out